Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #118

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  1. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Might not but unlikely IMO. Abby herself was wearing the same clothes she had been photographed in the day she was photographed at the hotel with her grandfather and both were wearing borrowed sweatshirts and had travelled to the trails in a vehicle belonging to Libby's sister, therefore would also have picked up touch DNA from the vehicle interior and door handles plus touch DNA from Libby's home and from any visitors to the home. It is mind boggling.

    ETA. Also, if they had identified all the DNA, as you suggest, why are they swabbing suspects or obtaining DNA from people like Etter?
     
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    MingyMoo Well-Known Member

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    I am in the same boat :-(
     
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    True--they may have touch DNA from random people. They probably don't have DNA that's obviously from the killer (such as from semen or from blood that wasn't Abby's or Libby's).
     
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  5. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Arrest in 2015 Trail Assault-Updated 4/10/19

    This was a vicious assault but the victim lived. This took four years until his DNA showed up in CODIS. He would have been 20 in 2015 in Iowa but was arrested in Aurora, Colorado. $1.5m bail. If BG is young this could be why his DNA is not in the system yet.
     
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    My guess would be they had to rule him in or out re: other cases.

    JMO

    I never thought Etter was involved in the Delphi case, however I figured LE would at least get his DNA on file for obvious reasons.
     
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    Your guess is as good as anyone's. He could have had a Camelback or some other thing connected to it.

    I think it's part of a tool/weapon, but who knows?

    JMO
     
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    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    This case as a good find. Thank you for posting it.

    There was another article :UPDATE: Bond set at $1.5 M in 2015 trail attack

    It says that in 2017, Burt had an outburst at his father's house over a video game and was arrested. It was that arrest that eventually lead to his DNA being submitted to CODIS. So it took another two years from that arrest before the match was made to the DNA from the 2015 case.

    On one of Burt's Facebook pages, he has three, there was a post about a month before the 2015 attack where Burt was telling family and friends to F-off.

    I have to imagine that BG has similar anger outbursts in his history and has problems with his relationships with family and friends. MOO
     

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    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    On that last link can someone copy pasta it in directly as I cannot read it where I live.

    (Subject to 10% rule of course)
     
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    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    Go to post 1 on here and check out the link to maps, media and timeline thread. There is also a case map by skibaboo.
     
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    I saved that photo to my drive, then opened it, and enlarged it. There is not a shoe print in terms of the exact pattern of the bottom of a sneaker, (at least not that I have found) rather a spot above that dead tree roots where it appears the dirt in the bank has been disturbed such that a person planted their foot there to step up that steep bank.

    Whoever that guy is, he appears to be carrying a firearm, and a few other goodies.

    carry on :)
     
  14. tresir2012

    tresir2012 Oh! What a tangled web we weave....

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    That's a bit depressing if it is taking 2 years to match DNA from CODIS isn't it? 2 years from his crime till they luckily got his DNA then another 2 years for matching. And he travelled at least 800 miles in the meantime. I found the original post of the Waterloo incident on the Alicia Hummel thread then searched and realised they had got him this year. I hope they check the Alicia Hummel murder and Abby and Libby as it is similar. As well as checking Lyric and Lizzie case too as he lived in Cedar Falls.
     
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    Yes but Sheriff Leazenby kind of confirmed it in an article, a RadarOnline article (still wondering how that one came about).

    “We sent more evidence to the FBI at Quantico just before Christmas,” Sheriff Leazenby told Radar in an exclusive interview and said they were doing “DNA testing research,” with regards to the case..."

    There would be none of that "DNA testing research" without recovered crime scene DNA

    Cops Send Evidence To FBI In Indiana Teens Abigail Williams & Liberty German’s Murder
     
  17. stattlich1

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    As far as if LE has the killers DNA or not, to state either way would likely be pure speculation, however, it is clear they have indicated on more than one occasion that they do have DNA from the crime scene.

    I would surmise Holeman saying he would neither confirm nor deny the existence of DNA was simply a tweak in strategy in an attempt to keep the killer guessing.

    carry on!
     
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    Wow. I'd never thought of hanging. That could explain why there is so little DNA. And no blood. After following another case here of a double hanging, I'm wondering about the mechanics of hanging them outdoors. No chairs to kick out from under them. <modsnip> How would he hoist them up?
     
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    The one thing that continually comes up in my mind is that nobody heard a thing. No screams? No gunfire?

    I've read the argument about the remoteness, etc. But I'm a country boy, and I guarantee somebody that was on that trail would have heard a gunshot, or a scream.

    I think they had to have been gagged, or murdered, real early on OR.....

    they willingly went with BG, because they thought they were meeting up with someone that was not a threat.

    It will take some convincing for me that one girl watched the other die, without screaming.
     
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