Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #118

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  1. Awsi Dooger

    Awsi Dooger Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. That's interesting. I remember having negotiated the second stage of down the hill but before reaching the creek I was thinking that it would been simple for Bridge Guy to plant something down there, a la Israel Keyes and his kill kits. You could bury it next to a tree with no concern it would be found.

    Across the creek would be exponentially less risky. Before this tragedy I doubt many people went down by that area alongside the creek near the far end of the bridge. But among the ones who did, how many took it a step further and crossed the creek? It can't be more than 1 or 2%, if that.

    I hope he did create a lair. More potential for DNA than if he did it on the fly.
     
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    Following are my thoughts/opinions, not anyone else's, as it is I who am pondering them :)

    Awsi, I wanted to let you know I appreciate your input here. It's easy to get caught up in all sorts of wild theories and ideas. A lot of that, I think, comes from frustration, but some of it is simply the human condition.

    I'm stickin' with the KISSweetheart principle. At this juncture, I don't think this murder is as complicated as we may believe. I truly think it is local, and I think LE knows MUCH more than they reveal.

    I must remind myself to keep my self in check, and not get too emotionally charged online :)

    There is a major complication in this case, I'm not sure what it is, but it has thus far prevented an arrest.

    If what I've speculated above is not true, then the alternative almost has to be that LE has no idea who the killer is, and/or it was someone who was passing through, a SK as it were. I find that hard to believe in light of the statements made by LE.
     
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    re: third cousins and genaology tools:

    I'm not sure how much help software would be with matches beyond third cousins. At that distance, lack of information becomes the big issue. Third cousins share a great-great-grandparent. That will take most families back at least a hundred years and into an era when people didn't pay as much attention to recordkeeping. What sources there are may have been lost or damaged, and they aren't on line. It was much more common in the US to repeat names within a family, so determining if the "Peter Smith" who married "Mary Lamb" is the same "Peter Smith" who married "Mary Pumpkin" can be tricky. Same guy, two marriages? Two guys, two marriages? One guy, one woman who was previously married? And in many cases Mary Lamb's birth name might not be recorded anywhere.

    I have endless admiration for the people who have the knowledge and patience to unscramble the trail piece by piece.
     
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    @HEY YOU! standing in the aisles
    with itchy feet and fading smiles
    can you feel me?
     
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    Much here to ponder. I would be thrilled to know DNA related techniques are in progress. DC DID ask for "patience", reminded "just beginning..." so it is a possibility... hmmm :cool:
     
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    ^^^^THIS

    If LE have DNA, it could still be very difficult to find this perp. I tend to shy away from speculation about DNA in this case, but the point has to be made here that if, indeed, they have a DNA profile of some sort, the chances of it leading to BG could be slim for any number of reasons.

    Like others here have noted upthread, finding genealogical links going back "to the old country" could be difficult. It often times depends upon the country and their records, say going back to the mid-1800's and earlier, and in my own research it can be difficult coming up with names, especially in certain cultures. In my own background, a wife's maiden name might be only in church records, and won't even be in a family Bible or something similar.

    Quite frankly a lot of people didn't much care about that stuff "back in the day", and ended up in the U.S., Mexico, Canada, Australia, and any number of other countries without caring much about the past.

    GSK was linked through ancestors who were living roughly in the mid-1800's, a third cousin if memory serves. Imagine if the clock were moved back to 1800 or earlier through a much more distant cousin, and how difficult that would be and how much more time it would take. Like others have noted, adoption and other factors could complicate such a task. Census and other records may not be a 100% trustworthy means of tracing some ancestry information.

    My paternal grandfather and his three siblings were split up after the flu pandemic around 100 years ago. Two were adopted and no doubt the records were sealed in NY, although he kept in touch with those two siblings. Now imagine I submit my DNA to 23andme or another site, and LE link it to a murder investigation through some distant cousin of mine.

    Their grandmother or gr. grandmother or great aunt or whatever is a great aunt of mine but was adopted in 1920, and the records are sealed. Throw in a last name change, a marriage, and other factors, and one can see where this could get complicated.

    Software can only do so much, the records I've used are not technically searchable online, say through databases. Some of what I found is online, but the scrolling took many hours and the records were from old newspaper clippings about births, marriages, and obits. This is where the forensic genealogy experts come in to play in these cases, technology alone can not solve these cases. Imagine a group of researchers and detectives requesting information from, say, county courthouses across the U.S., walking through cemeteries, etc.

    JMO
     
  8. Charlot123

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    I was thinking of it too. How organized should one be to prepare it all - hang antlers in advance, only to replace them with something special later?
     
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    Had a chance to see 'The Wall' concert in NYC as a kid...I passed!! Lol, got the t-shirt though :)
     
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    OK I personally see a hat. Moreover, a lamb skin hat. Traveling in Portugal, I saw a store selling similar hats - I nearly fell off the tourist bus trying to take a picture.

    So, maybe a triangle of hair under the hat, though,

    However, if we assume that his face was covered with a scarf/kerchief, anyone can assume whatever and whoever hiding under it.

    And then the NBG who 1) looks like a spitting image of one young Delphian (who I rule out as he has huge legs, but still), or 2) like a perfect mix of a local father’s/son’s face. It is not just Carrol county, us all - we are shown this sketch to make our informed judgment. And we are told that he is hiding in plain sight.

    So it is unsurprising that people suspect local golden youngsters. Their right. Tell me why they should not, after such a sketch?
     
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