Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #120

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  1. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    I would hope better than mine :D

    I wonder how they would estimate things like how much the guy is slouching and whether he always walks like that.
     


  2. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    Jmo to me it seems obvious they have been submitting DNA to check against other cases. I firmly believe they have DNA that they know belongs to the killer. They do not want it known, imo, that the girls were subjected to sexual attacks...so they have muddied the waters from the first day.
    JMO JMO
     
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    Brilliant post, Brazen! I wholeheartedly agree!
     
  4. StarryStarryNight

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    A funny...or is it?....story about the audio clip.
    I was listening last week to the podcast “Scene of the Crime” while driving. They had a short interview with ISP’s Carter then began talking about the audio clip. Then they played the audio clip and I almost ran off the road. I have heard that audio hundreds of times but this time, to me, it sounded just like Carter! Well, I thought, that explains why Leazenby says he knows that voice. I even listened later and it still sounds like Carter to me. Should I turn him in? To himself? HaHa!
    I might need a break!
     
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  5. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    @Ozoner, and it can happen in any investigation. But what is concerning (despite the obvious fact that a murderer is walking somewhere) is that all Delphi males are under the same suspicion, and people need to live and plan for the future.
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    Thank you, I am not an expert at all, but as you all, I am fascinated by the science.

    It seems that the problem with touch DNA might be the same as with low copy number DNA - as the amount of material is so small, there is a high risk of contamination. And it could be contaminated by other DNA present at the object, as well as by the investigator’s DNA present during handling in the laboratory.

    So Parabon snapshot might be a very expensive method in the case of touch DNA, and maybe a waste of money, as it will render several snapshots, and most of them won’t be BG. However, the LE are probably using the DNA to rule the suspects out,
     
  7. Charlot123

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    I think someone already did it, lol!
    The voice resembles that of Carter but more so, the new cop warning that this case won’t be solved by armchair detectives. About the second guy I can’t say much, I don’t know him. As to Carter, logically speaking, it would be difficult for him to commit a murder in broad daylight. His position is high enough for Indiana, I assume, so he is probably accompanied by someone most of the time. So a mid-day walking on Monon High Bridge, in solitude, wearing a blue jacket and a deer kit, would have been next to impossible for him.
     
  8. Charlot123

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    I also think they could have used the relatives sizes of Abby and the BG and the distance between them could be figured out by the number of planks, too. There is a photo with BG and her sleeve, I wonder if there is another one, allowing to see her and BG, or at least her body up to the shoulder, and BG. That should have been handy.
     
  9. Mike Britton

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    I believe this, too. Lazenby said he's heard the voice before; why would he say that unless they had a prime suspect? That wasn't just a passing statement.

    It sounds like wishful thinking, but there have been a few slips that gave it away. One officer said that "when the public learns the identity, it's going to shock this community." To me, this suggested they knew the identity and it was someone who was very young at the time of the murders.
     
  10. Inthedetails

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    The voice might sound like him because people from the same area tend to sound similar.

    I met a person awhile ago who asked me if I was from (insert town name), and I was flabbergasted. It was a town near where I grew up, half a continent away from where I live now. He said he placed my accent because I sound like someone who was in the news - and who happened to grow up about 5 miles from where I grew up. The person in the news and I don't know each other, but her family background is very similar to mine, and there are traces in both of our speech patterns, accents, and even mannerisms and attitude, that place us in a very specific location. We do sound and act alike!

    We can't sleuth Carter on WS as he's not a POI.....I'm just suggesting why the audio might sound like him. Someone with good ear for regional accents in that area probably can pinpoint a hometown for BG, especially if there is more audio than what we've heard.

    jmo
     
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    Yes. That is it! I knew you would know..Thanks Tippy
     
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    I took it to mean cell phones of the victims.
     
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    Lollie Winans and Julie Williams. VA - VA - Lollie Winans, 26, & Julie Williams, 24, found murdered, Shenandoah National Park, 1 June 1996

    Lollie and Julie were never tied to the Colonial Parkway Murders by LE. However, many others, including some on here discussing the Colonial Parkway Murders, suspect a connection. The person that LE arrested and failed to convict would have been 18 when the first Parkway victims (Thomas/Dowski) were murdered. I believe LE had DNA from Lollie and Julie's murders and it ruled out that suspect. We talk about whether or not LE has DNA here. In the case of the first two victims, Cathy Thomas and Rebecca Dowski, it is known that one of the victims fought back and had hair in their hand. That murder was over 30 years ago and Cathy's brother, Bill, still has not been able to determine if the FBI got DNA from those hairs.
     
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    I tend to believe LE doesn't know either. However, since LE doesn't usually reveal all they know there is no way for us to know for certain. Look the facts in the disappearance of Teresa Butler from Risco MO. It was over a decade before LE made a recent arrest and it was revealed that LE knew within 48 hours who their suspect was. They just didn't have enough evidence. And for over a dozen years we didn't know this.
     
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    Most of us had numerous hat/hair/hoodie convos and never any consensus. What do you think? Welcome to WS.
    I personally think it was a hat and it was left at scene so they got a hair from the hat and that is how they know he has reddish brown hair. But if no follicle on the hair then no full DNA but maybe mitochondrial only.
    I also think he is in jail for another crime ATM. Several of my POIs are in jail in different states or counties.
    JMO.
     
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    Some very interesting comments on the HLN FB page regarding "Down the Hill" podcasts.

    Mike Galanos

    (Reminder to self: these comments may not be discussed here, due to TOS). :)
     
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    May I share a story of a criminal arrested very recently in Ohio? I am not sure how to contact Tricia for review.
    His arrests are causing me to go “hmmmmmm”.
     
  19. Inthedetails

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    Click the "Report" link at the bottom of your post. A box will pop up and you can type your question.

    Generally it's not allowed to discuss random people that seem like likely suspects, so it's worth asking before posting.

    jmo
     
  20. Charlot123

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    He is not posting - he is just making the same statement, times and again.. No motive, no reason, no witnesses. I don’t know the people he accuses but I refuse to trust such “detective work”.
    I am the last one to sleuth Carter, where did you even see it in my post?

    When I saw the post of the “Carter is the BG” type elsewhere, I called it what it was - paranoia. But you have made a reasonable observation - that the voice is similar.

    Now, I was trying to use logic to explain why it could not even be Carter, voice or no voice, for everyone who might suspect it is him (because the case is not solved, and some believe he is not interested in it being solved, so these rumors inevitably arise, of the “JFK did it” type).

    Logically speaking, for a man of a high official level, it is hard to kill in broad daylight. He is always seen, or accompanied, by someone.
    (This being said, any minor local policeman could be a suspect. But this is another story).

    And I believe Carter very much wants to solve this case. It is simply - maybe it is unsolvable, maybe too much evidence was lost during the first days, or maybe, the whole case is above their heads.

    Or maybe the person playing against them is darn smart. But not infallible.
     
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