Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #125

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  1. KentuckyMama

    KentuckyMama Well-Known Member

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    Been following this case since the beginning. Haven't posted in a while. I still read along, but kinda gave up. I think a lot of people did. But only because of the ridiculous amount of inconsistencies. I can't think of much, if anything, that's absolutely known. I feel so badly for the families. There will be no justice until LE get the miniscule amount of facts they will release in order. It's a tragedy. I have no doubt each individual LE want this case to be solved. I just think they have such wildly varying opinions that there is no consensus. The result is the shameful level of professionalism we have seen so far. As you stated above, they desperately need to be *extremely* clear on what the facts are. They need to stop pretending that this will be solved as it sits now. They need the public's help. I wish someone would send your list to whomever is in charge. This really needs to be done.
     


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    KentuckyMama Well-Known Member

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    Double post
     
  3. StarryStarryNight

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    Agree. Absolutely they need the public’s help, and it’s not the pleading for somebody to send in a tip kinda help. That ship has sailed.
    1) The public can’t help them if they don’t understand or trust what LE is even saying half the time. Too many voices saying contradictory things. Choose one spokesman for LE. No one else speaks about it. Check what you’re saying before you say it for accuracy and clarity. Then check it again.
    2) The public can’t help LE if the public doesn’t have any idea what is important in this case. LE, keep some things to yourself but choose a handful of things that might open someone’s eyes to the killer.
    Way past time for this.
     
  4. SMK777

    SMK777 Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely. Also, in terms of a groundskeeper-type person, not only would this have acquainted him with the homes, properties, and bridge area, but might have allowed him hours of fantasy which one day became a reality.
     
  5. SMK777

    SMK777 Well-Known Member

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    Excellent point. Blue eyes could seem dark if the pupils were dilated.
     
  6. Cryptic

    Cryptic Well-Known Member

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    That is a very good point.

    As a side note "groundkeepers" can include say, those leasing farm fields.

    Not all farms in rural areas are worked by the owners or inhabitants. Rather, fields can be leased for a variety of reasons including the owner retires, owner obtains other employment and new job has time demands, farm has been inherited by adult children who don't have an interest in farming etc. etc.

    These lease arrangements can be formal legal agreements, or simply be based on a handshake in smaller leases. Likewise, a leasor does not need to live in the immediate area (though I imagine that most probably do).

    Instead, depending on what equipment can be transported easily, rented locally, or is available from the owner, the leasor can live a distance away. For example, I have a relative who lives and works as a machinist in town, but escapes 30 minutes away to an informally leased field because farming is "in the blood".

    Then factor in that somebody leasing farm fields is more likely to be outdoorsy in regards to fishing, hunting, or hiking and thus more likely to become familiar with a nature center, a creek and various short cuts. Yet, despite his local knowledge, he would not be recognized as being local because he does not actually live in the area.

    I hope the police and especially say, a deputy with farming knowledge inquires about fields being leased either formally or informally and who works them.
     
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  7. Yuletide

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    It's been too long. I, too, join the ranks that believe this is a cold case. They need a team with a fresh set of eyes that leave no stone unturned. They also need a team that is not from the area, that won't inadvertently avoid or dismiss a particular tip. The killer could be someone very close to or included in the initial investigation phase.
     
  8. StarryStarryNight

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    We all know LE is still, in some capacity, rummaging around trying to solve this case we all care so much about.
    I was just wondering how many of us, the tried and true, think, for all intents and purposes, this is a cold case now. Not what you hope, not what you wish, but what you actually think.
    Maybe we can get a head count.
    I sadly think it is a cold case. Something major will have to happen to energize it.
     
  9. SMK777

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    You can count me in, among others.
     
  10. JDough

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    As the mother of a murdered child, I think I may have a different point of view?

    I fully believe the case is stalled, not cold. I just haven't (quite) joined the ranks of this being a cold case. Here's why:
    • A cold case is an unsolved criminal investigation which remains open pending the discovery of new evidence. (Meaning they are no longer receiving tips, and have investigated every possible piece of evidence collected without the ability to move forward, make an arrest, or solve the case).
    • I don't believe investigators are no longer receiving tips. I believe they have not received the tip needed to make an arrest. The one that places their POI(s) at the crime scene.
    • IMO, Investigators have a very short list of suspects (possibly with only one or two names).
    • There (again, IMO) are many things going on behind the scene that we, the public, are unaware of.
    • I would not be surprised if there is yet another group of specialists/professionals going back to the beginning and reviewing both the criminal investigation (i.e.; crime scene, the contents of Libby's phone, photo/video enhancements, early witness interviews, DNA collected both at the crime scene, and from individuals who provided a sample, etc.), and the large number of tips.
    • Despite the back-and-forth statements regarding DNA, I believe there was some found at the scene. And, I believe this DNA belongs to BG. My best guess (at this point), is that this DNA can be explained away for some reason.
    • Investigators working on the case have contacted numerous high-profile specialists that have indicated this case can be solved. It will just be an uphill battle. (Thus the reason that after three years the case remains "unsolved").
    • Someone knows who did this. They, for whatever reason (fear, uncertainty, the possibility of being arrested for withholding information), have not contacted authorities.
    This may be an unpopular opinion, but I still have hope the case is being worked on a daily basis, that there will be an arrest, the case will prosecuted, and the person(s) responsible will be held accountable.
     
  11. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    First of all, thank you for using "intents and purposes" in the correct form. : )
    I *do not* think this is a cold case. I think the Perp is somewhere in their 30K (?!) leads, and they are still working through them and investigating. That is a passle of information to sort through. There is an interesting aspect to the time decay as well, that may prove useful....

    I suspect more than a few folks have someone in their sites as a POI, and are closely observing them. LE may very well have them under observation as well. If you are this demented, you can only contain that behavior to a certain degree. It will be the ordinary, the every day, that will trigger something that will lead to an arrest.....which should be coming along here soon. Let us pray this is so.

    Amateur opinion and speculation
     
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    I know I will be in the minority but I don't think it's cold. I think they are working on things behind the scenes that we don't know about since the last press conference. This isn't based on anything in particular, just MOO.
     
  13. Marzipan

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    Speaking of farming knowledge, there has also been a lot of talk of the possibility of livestock transporters. Anyone trucking live animals goes through quality assurance training to be sure they are treating animals well, protecting themselves from injury, protecting the investment, etc. there are limited trainers for this, offered through U cooperative Extension and partners. I hope they have been shown the video of BG. I think there are lots of people who haven’t heard about this case or the video.
     
  14. SMK777

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    Thank you for this illuminating and compelling post. I’m so sorry to hear that your own child was murdered; my heart ♥️ goes out to you.
     
  15. SMK777

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    Praying you’re right. I suppose when I agreed that the case was “cold” I actually meant “stalled” because I know there are still original tips that can solve it. Just gets very frustrating and I think the last press conferences 2019 made things worse with it’s misleading talk.
     
  16. SMK777

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    Really, really hoping you’re right.
     
  17. JDough

    JDough Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps this is the reason I refuse to give up hope! I really believe this case will be solved, and the families will receive the answers they've been waiting for.
     
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  18. Rossymom

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    I share your unpopular opinion.
     
  19. Charlot123

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    Well...

    I see in all these stories a strange analogy with the Bluebeard, a famous folk tale, that has permeated many cultures in different forms.

    Bluebeard - Wikipedia

    The interpretation of the tale is interesting. The key that the Bluebeard leaves to his young wife is the key of knowledge. She can either use it - and find out the terrible truth and risk her own life - but become an adult. Or, she’d never use it, and remain the youngest, the prettiest, toy of a rich old man.

    The girl in the tale chose to know the truth. The 10 wives in the article you listed chose not to, and never grew up morally. But maybe they are alive because of this, too.

    There is one more interesting moment in the tale. The previous six wives were killed for their curiosity. What helped the last one? Strong community that stood for her, connection with her sisters, and their husbands. As well as altruism after his death.

    I suspect most of the wives of the serial killers were lonely and disconnected from the communities, and it played a role in their behavior.

    But why is the press accusing some lonely, and not so smart, women, if the police in some cases was equally blind?

    Liz Kendall, who essentially reported on Ted Bundy, but was dismissed by Seattle Police. (“We have no time for girlfriends”).


    Meet Elizabeth Kloepfer: The Woman Who Survived A Relationship With Ted Bundy

    As to Gary Ridgeway, the police interviewed him and let him go.

    So why blame isolated, probability, weak and not especially smart women, when the whole PDs messed up the cases?

    The last case, Chikatilo’s wife, may be different. After all, 4 people were executed before he was caught. But it is true that he was always impotent with her, and their kids were conceived in an unconventional way.
     
  20. Twolabs

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    Yes thank you for your beautiful post. I think I will sit on your side of the fence for awhile. God bless and I too hope this case gets solved soon. It has been way to long!
     
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