Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #126

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  1. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    YEs, thanks to some responding posts, I think we have now established that LE states conclusively that the voice is of ONE male. You are correct.

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  2. Spartygirl

    Spartygirl Verified Insider - Michael Vanzandt case

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    UGH !
    Yes, the frustration is very real and most of us have been following along since the beginning, over 3.5 years
    Perp on video

    Voice on Video

    2 different sketches of perp- both look entirely different

    Possibly the murder or some of it caught on video ( I know what LE has said, but I tend to think some of it if not all is recorded, JMO)

    Multiple witnesses-yet nobody knows who he is ? Or they don't want to say for possible reasons. JMO

    Extremely frustrating and must also be as frustrating to the girls' families.
     
  3. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    John Douglas, ex-FBI profiler and the "Mindhunter" agrees with you.
    Who Killed Abby and Libby? 'Mindhunter' John Douglas Offers Insight Into Delphi Murders

    "Guys says to me that maybe he may know these victims," said Douglas. "Or it's a person ... someone who has interaction with children." He added that the person who killed the two likely has some kind of "criminal history." "You don't wake up one day and commit a double homicide like this," he said. "There has to be some kind of trail."

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  4. girlfriday

    girlfriday Active Member

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    Thanks for sharing that. Is Ives family?
     
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    There are other people who may use "guys" besides teachers, the more I think about it.

    Coaches (maybe recreational league and not a teacher)

    Former military ("guys" is used often to address everyone, and depending on MOS may actually be majority male groups being addressed)

    Law enforcement (maybe prison guard in particular as police officers may not address groups as often)

    And a "ringer" candidate...perhaps it is just a man that has multiple children with a mix of genders, using "guys" to address them all often.

    Maybe its a combination of all of these things, or maybe none of these things at all. Pure speculation on my part.
     
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    Yemelyan Well-Known Member

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    At the time of this article he was the Carroll County prosecutor.

    He would have been in charge of taking this case to trial, or deciding if they had evidence to go. He retired, however.
     
  7. girlfriday

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    Carroll County prosecutor decides to step down

    Thank you. I still wonder, if he is also family.

    Edited by me: to remove unrelated media link that was pasted with the quote.
    2nd Edit by me: to add the correct media file re: Ives stepping down.
     
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  8. Yemelyan

    Yemelyan Well-Known Member

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    Apparently he is not related to the victims in this case as far as anyone has been made aware by MSM and you would think, given his role in the case and the nature of it, that relation between him and the victims would have come up.
     
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  9. lonewanderer

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    Family of the girls, or family of the major suspect(s)?
     
  10. Yemelyan

    Yemelyan Well-Known Member

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    He could have recused himself from the case without stepping down from the elected position in its entirety. I don't think his "personal and private reasons" as quoted in the article had anything to do with being a relative of anyone involved in the case. He has been quite active since retiring in commenting on the case in various forms of media, so it's not like by stepping down he took himself completely out of it or gained a low profile.
     
  11. Charlot123

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    I would use "guys" talking to younger people, the same way I'd nowadays use politically correct "they, them" when talking to younger people, and "he/she" when talking to older ones. It might, really, be the question of the age - or the area. And it brings up some thoughts, because if I heard "they, them" instead of "he/she" in IN as opposed to West Coast, it would tell me a lot about the person. Use of pronouns is informative, and I wonder if there are any on the recording.
     
  12. Charlot123

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    True, but they are "representing" the case. How Bible Belt is relevant one might vividly see from "the Shack". Was it just an Evangelical analogy? Did DC hint at some shack nearby? In a different area of the country, I'd probably know the answer regardless of religious affiliation. In the Bible Belt, who knows?
     
  13. lonewanderer

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    There is one possibility I have thought of, but I think it is very unlikely. That possibility being "guys" is not how he is addressing the girls, but "guys" is what he uses to describe a separate set of people to the girls. For instance, the "Guys (inaudible) down the hill" may be saying "Guys are waiting (for one of them) down the hill"

    There is the very slight chance the BG man could be someone warning them that there is a group of guys downhill and to not go that way (which could possibly explain why a new sketch is out that appears to be drastically different) He could have said "Guys, don't go down the hill" or something like that, and they could have just thought he was a creep and ran down the hill to get away from him. I know that is very, very unlikely but there is lots and lots we don't know.
     
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    Interesting that many posters consider Indiana part of the Bible Belt, but with a quick google search, I didn’t see any sites that include it at all. Maybe just the absolute southern tip, but not near Delphi.
     
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    The term "guys", IMO, most likely used by:

    1. Coaches
    2. Scout leaders
    3. Teachers
    4. Church youth group leaders
    5. Persons employed in juvenile detention or residential treatment facilities
     
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    155etta Hindsight is 20/20

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    School bus drivers.
     
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    I think Douglas is dating himself with those comments. I don't think he realizes how pervasive the term guys is these days, especially among the roughly forty-and-under set.
     
  18. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    I know a lot of people support your POV. I do think "guys" seems very teacher/coach-like to me. I work with someone who uses "guys" when he can't remember someone's name. Hard to say.

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  19. MistyWaters

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    This quote below is from way back, March 8/2017. For mere words “down the hill” to constitute a “criminal activity” I’d think LE must be aware the audio recorded by Libby represents the killer’s criminal intent. JMO

    “Indiana State Police released a picture of a suspect, which was taken by Liberty on her cell phone. She also captured a man's voice saying "down the hill" during what police call "criminal activity."...”
    Nearly 5K raised for Delphi fund in pizza event
     
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    This quote below is from way back, March 8/2017. For mere words “down the hill” to constitute a “criminal activity” I’d think LE know the audio of the killer speaking depicted his criminal intent. JMO

    “Indiana State Police released a picture of a suspect, which was taken by Liberty on her cell phone. She also captured a man's voice saying "down the hill" during what police call "criminal activity."...”
    Nearly 5K raised for Delphi fund in pizza event
     
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