Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #127

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  1. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    Yes, not far away.
     


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    girlfriday Former Member

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    I respectfully disagree with your opinion that they are artifacts.

    I agree that metadata can be removed.

    Edit: grammar
     
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    Was someone ( not associated with this crime) arrested in the area right before the second sketch came out ?
     
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    155etta Well-Known Member

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    What about a 4-wheeler, dirt bike, or Razor?
     
  5. StarryStarryNight

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    I could see that as maybe a way to exit the area. Though I would think someone would be more likely to have noticed that. If he was trying to kidnap them, I don’t think those would work.
     
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    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    I would hope that LE would have been able to find fresh tracks if this were the case? However, if he parked somewhere off-road and then hiked in a 1/2 mile....maybe not. Clearly he "fit right in" and wasn't noticed, with the exception of the witness. I wonder what about his appearance made him notable enough to remember for the purposes of a sketch? I don't take note of anyone I see unless they really stand out for some reason.

    Amateur opinion and speculation
     
  7. Ozoner

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    Even if someone stands out to me, Id have a difficult time giving a description even 15 minutes later. I wouldn't remember whether the person had facial hair, I might not remember whether the person was wearing glasses, etc. I'd probably remember the gender and race; that would be it.

    If the person spoke to me, I'd probably remember the words, but the face or the clothing? Not likely. I guess I'd make a terrible eye witness.
     
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    Good witnesses are hard to find. Try this test on selective attention.

     
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    I can not shake my opinion, and others have also thought this, that he may have gone down the creek in a kayak or canoe or whatever. Load it up and drive away a lot further from the crime scene. I am starting to think this is a good possibility, and this kind of escape seems clever to me. MOO. IMO.
     
  10. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    That’s as good as guess as any other.
    Do we know if that creek is deep enough for kayaking? I thought of it as fairly shallow, although IDK.

    amateur opinion and speculation
     
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    Somewhere in the past I had read a theory where one could access Bridge Creek, via vehicle from Rt. 25, and drive that creek bed right to Deer Creek.

    For me, parking at the rear of the cemetery, out of sight from road w 300 n, thence to a secluded, wooded, perch overlooking the trail, possibly even a tree stand, to wait for the opportune time.

    The murder scene, IMO, lends itself to an escape from that cemetery. The CS between the bridge, and the escape vehicle. Walk up the hill, get in the car, take a right out of the cemetery, and you are gone.
     
  12. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    This makes the most sense to me. Perching in a tree stand lends the possibility of a deer hunter familiar with those woods.

    Your theory rings true to me.

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  13. Ozoner

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    Tree stands are fairly easy to spot. Most of the ones I've seen have steps nailed to the tree, which makes them very easy to find. (Some might be accessible only with portable rope ladders.) None of the searchers mentioned seeing one; I doubt very much whether the investigators would have been able to keep something like that quiet. That isn't to say that BG couldn't have perched in a tree.
     
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    One of my college professors showed a different version of this same scenario in my sensation and perception class (many years ago) and it blew my mind!



    Like The Berenstain Bears level type of mind blown.
     
  16. StarryStarryNight

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    Yes! I took an online class earlier this year about witness reliability and how to properly interview them.(Hey...there’s a pandemic going on and I was looking for something to do!) We had to watch a similar video
    and I failed it epically! I laughed so hard at myself!
     
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    interesting, do we have any info to compare on the suspect profile? like height, weight to compare to johnny angelo hansen? ive compared sketchs and they arent far from each other. i see similarities in the nose and eye region. as well as the mouth but hard to observe the jaw with the beard.
     
  18. Missing would be: reddish-brown hair .......
     
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  20. Yemelyan

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    I snipped the name out of your post.

    Well, yes...we do have a description. From the FBI official "seeking information" poster, we have this description of Libby and Abby's killer:

    The person depicted in the composite sketch is described as a White male between 5'6" and 5'10", weighing 180 to 220 pounds, with reddish-
    brown hair. His eye color is unknown. The suspect is believed to be between 18 and 40 years old but may appear younger.

    The person charged in the machete attack near Dayton, Ohio is 33 years old, 6'3 and 370 pounds according to the arrest report, with dark hair (I see brown or black) and dark eyes.
     
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