Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #127

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  1. MistyWaters

    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    I’d expect it’s quite reasonable for LE to expect to control the information flow. Groundless speculation, rumour or gossip that reaches the media can discourage a good tip from coming in especially if it’s contrary to the actual facts of the case. For much the same reason the reputation of innocent people and their families can be needlessly harmed, or a suspect under investigation can be tipped off.

    Leazenby said much the same in the April/20 interview.

    “If people have not heard information from an investigator or released by police, they can assume the information is not true,” Leazenby concluded...”
    Lots of tips, no arrest in 2017 double homicide | Carroll County Comet
     


  2. JnRyan

    JnRyan Well-Known Member

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    There are numerous articles in the Media thread.
    IN - Abigail Williams & Liberty German, Delphi, Media, Maps, Timelines NO DISCUSSION

    There are a few podcasts that cover this, but two really stand out for me and those are "Scene of Crime" and HLN's "Down the Hill".
     
  3. MistyWaters

    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    Including what naturally occurs to a body after death takes place, which anyone can google if they’re interested in knowing more.
     
  4. ElleA219

    ElleA219 Justice4Cuz.com

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    Thank you! One thing I just noticed and not sure if it is on here or not, but watching IE and seeing their comments about his verbiage to the girls. For example. I address my niece and nephew with ‘guys’ all the time. I don’t have children so I relate to them more as an adult friend than authoritative if that makes sense. Like I bet this guy has kids indirectly in his life and I BET (gut instinct telling me this) he has an older sister who has children and I bet they are girls. For some reason I feel like this guy has roots in this town and family thats why no one even thinks it could be him. Like ‘oh so and so could not have done it I knew his grandparents etc.’ I’m not a northerner but my Dad was from a small southern town and I know that is many times a small town mentality. My Dad’s Dad was the sheriff of this town and later my Dad a detective but still. Just a thought in case no one has brought this point up. I posted for you because I’m still trying to figure this forum out and figured you may know where to post any new info. Thanks so much!
     
  5. Rosegold68

    Rosegold68 Well-Known Member

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    you used to be able to get onto the bridge and on the road nearby on google street view.....no longer got that option which i find odd
     
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  6. Ravenmoon

    Ravenmoon "Justice is a dish best served cold"

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    I have really tried to make out the things in the video, just like everyone else.
    It is beyond frustrating.
    There is SO little that actually be taken from it.
    He has blue pants, a blue jacket and what appears to be a brown hoodie.

    The white stringy looking thingies?
    Best guess...zip ties.
    BUT.. a guess. No way to know .

    JMO MOO AMOO
     
  7. Ravenmoon

    Ravenmoon "Justice is a dish best served cold"

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    IMHO
    Regarding why LE has confidence in the origin of the murders?
    Footprints.
    Lack of ability to drive to where the girls were found.
    No drag marks (sorry, i hate the thought..)
    Proximity of the victims to other crime scene material(possible weapons, bindings, strange items , clothing, condition of the bodies , murder method)
    This is just a short list of my thoughts.

    AMOO JMO MOO
     
  8. Diddian

    Diddian Well-Known Member

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    Gray talks about the cameras that were pointed to where the car was parked at the abandoned Child Services building when he is speaking with Kelsi (she calls in at about 52:00) in the video linked to in this post:

    ETA: I see that others have also answered you and provided links to broader sources of information, so if I misunderstood what you were asking for, I apologize!
     
  9. girlfriday

    girlfriday Active Member

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    Here is something that might be of interest to you:
    In a very recent interview, MP talks about a canoe search
    Time code 17:39
     
  10. Sillybilly

    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    ADMIN NOTE:

    Upon review, the above link to the youtube video is being allowed on a one-time basis because it is an interview with Mike and Betty and the hosts are respectful in how they approach their interviews.
     
  11. Falling Down

    Falling Down Well-Known Member

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    i recently made a purchase here in Kokomo at a flea market, where it dawned on me that BG could have bought at least that outer shell jacket there or at another flea market or thrift store here in central IN.

    My hunch from early on about his appearance is he was disguised to some degree, and he does not wear that type of jacket, normally. Judging by what I've seen since I moved here to central IN recently, what he was wearing is very typical of what a lot of people here wear when the weather turns colder. Except his outfit is more bland than typical for the area, it's plain, it's a disguise.

    Whether he actually wore that outer coat the entire time he was there is anyone's guess, I'd imagine LE know for sure.

    JMO
     
  12. ElleA219

    ElleA219 Justice4Cuz.com

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    Omg no apologies needed! I am new to the case and the forum so I appreciate all info! Thank you!
     
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  13. ElleA219

    ElleA219 Justice4Cuz.com

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    I was just thinking footprints. Being on a river bed I would def think prints of sorts would be found.
     
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  14. Imvp2

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    I'm thinking the blue jacket has been his jacket for some time. He may have bought it at a flea market initially, but I see a well worn gun imprint on the right pocket. MOO
     
  15. Yemelyan

    Yemelyan Well-Known Member

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    As to the part I bolded, it's a good observation and I have come to agree with this over time. There's more than one person who should be able to look, especially at the video, and say, "that looks like my (family member, neighbor, coworker)....".

    I think you could make a case that if he is local to that general part of Indiana, it's unlikely that the pictures of him on the bridge have not been seen, at least in passing, by the people who logically should be able to do that. So either those people do not want to say anything (a possibility), OR perhaps he doesn't look in this video as he normally appears.

    I think if something about his appearance in the pictures/video is disguising him (whether he deliberately tried to change his appearance or it's just an artifact of how far away the images of him were and how they were filmed), this is going to be very difficult for the people who COULD identify him to reconcile, simply because he doesn't appear outlandishly disguised in the video. He appears to be "normally" dressed for that region.

    In a way it fools the brain because he's dressed so typically you're not thinking "but how I usually see this person might not look like this, since a lot of people I see look just like this."
     
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  16. Ekliptika

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    When someone is found dead you Will be able to establish during the autopsy whether that person has been moved since death occured or died at the place where they were found.
     
  17. FromGermany

    FromGermany Well-Known Member

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    I imagine, underneath the disguise of an average Indiana man he was wearing more tight clothing, maybe a sporty outfit, maybe all black perhaps. Nobody would recognize him as the same man, possibly not even his close friends. IMO
     
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  18. sandy_80

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    I am one of those who think that the local le are pulling all the strings ...
    the rest might have looked at it but that would be it...
    I have seen arguments about big murder cases in small towns where the locals have no experience...that there need to be a law for stuff like that where the cases are handed over to state le
     
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  19. minazoe

    minazoe Well-Known Member

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    you have to have a reason to hold someone. you have to have an order to collect DNA. they should get an order and swab everyone in town.

    find the relative if there is one.

    it is my understanding that many SK's follow and learn from other notorious SK's which means he may never pick a place he is connected to to do a killing, or like many others, he plays the county game, or state line game, in an effort to stymy LE from connecting his crimes.

    obviously something about the crime scene says this is a local person. how else would they be able to ascertain this?

    for me , a possible communication may have happened. the thing for me though is that SK's are liars and may say
    just about anything..like when Shannan Gilbert's killer called her sister and told her Shannen was in a whore house in
    Brooklyn ( or something)..

    what is it about the crime scene would tell them this is a local resident committing these crimes?

    I wish we knew because Delphi is a small town and that is very myopic in focus.

    mOO
     
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  20. JenniD

    JenniD Well-Known Member

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    I am still of the opinion that this jacket is turned inside out. Look at the quilted shoulders and the pockets. The color is different than the rest of the jacket. I still believe the buttons, snaps or loops are not closed in correct manner. JMOO
    It would be interesting to see a local high school or local college letterman’s jacket turned inside out to see the comparison
     

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