Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #127

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  1. Rossymom

    Rossymom Well-Known Member

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    Yikes! He sure resembles the first sketch, in my opinion.
     


  2. sunshineray

    sunshineray Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you on this. I do believe the list is limited and dare I say focused on a handful of knowns or even possibly a grouping of males from one extended family. AJMO
     
  3. sunshineray

    sunshineray Well-Known Member

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    I'm not that knowledgeable about the Evansdale murders. Where the girls were found, was there an access road close by or was it in a area you could only hike into? TIA
     
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    sunshineray Well-Known Member

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    The big difference to me is the Evansdale killer(s) had a plan to snatch and transport the victims. Delphi killer(s) I believe had no intention of taking the girls anywhere else but in that Delphi trail park. AJMO
     
  5. Yemelyan

    Yemelyan Well-Known Member

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    There was a road that made roughly a loop through the reserve.
     
  6. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    Respectfully snipped by me.

    I am reading your very interesting and educational posts and enjoying them. However, I apologize in advance for occasionally thinking, “maybe not always”.

    Veering off into a totally different area of crime, with a very sympathetic perpetrator -
    Richard “Beebo” Russell, who on one warm night of 2018, stole a Bombardier from Sea-Tac Airport, flew over Puget Sound, and then, having performed some acrobatic maneuvers. crashed into Ketron island. Until now, no one can believe that the man did not even have a pilot’s license, and all his training was on some flight simulator game.

    Same about the level of comfort of the perpetrators. Do they really need to live in the area, or even travel there, or can a good simulator map be already enough?

    I thought Gray Hughes showed something akin to a simulator, but maybe I am wrong.

    Is there a computer game with something like Google Earth in it?

    Why do I always have this feeling that for modern planning of an abduction, perpetrators don’t need to know the real place?
     
  7. Charlot123

    Charlot123 Well-Known Member

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    Could this killer, and other serial killers, suffer from alexithymia? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexithymia

    a
    common condition, hence I often mention it.

    In reality, let us assume that we all have a “midline” of emotions, if it is drawn at 50, then maybe, at 45-55, a normal person would be unaware of specific emotions, but at 1-45 and 56-100, he’s able to feel and describe them.

    A person with alexithymia would probably name emotions at 90-100 and 11-1, but not anything in between. So extreme emotions, anger, sadness, happiness, madness, satisfaction- he’d name, but nothing in between.

    I think serial killers have feelings, but are not in touch with them. It transforms into the need to seek something extreme to seek satisfaction, because normal emotions are not “registered” nor “named”.

    Just a thought.
     
  8. On the other hand, while the total alexithymia score as well as the difficulty in identifying feelings and externally oriented thinking factors are found to be significantly associated with ADHD, and while the total alexithymia score, the difficulty in identifying feelings, and the difficulty in describing feelings factors are also significantly associated with symptoms of hyperactivity/impulsivity, there's no significant relationship between alexithymia and inattentiveness symptom.[30]

    from your WIKI-link

    We are at the ADHD again, therefore I think, it might be a true possibility re this killer. If only someone would take it seriously and think of a person, who is known for that and is fulfilling all the other criteria also. Parents/siblings will know, but they won't be willing to give him up.
     
  9. Not a line of double chin in that sketch #1 like the molester has. The man seems to have brown eyes and BG could never be described with having brown eyes ("not blue"). IMO not our man.
     
  10. The unknown perp might have noticed, that the little girls from Iowa were very easy to "handle" and were no challenge for him and his physical strength as well as speed. After that experience he would have known: a future strike would work with teenagers as well (in daylight too, despite witnesses to his car also). IMO
    Also IMO: he placed some other crime in the years between 2012 and 2017, completely different approach and one victim only (Missy B./TX).
     
  11. Yemelyan

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    Snipped by me.

    I try to be very careful in my posts to use words such as "likely" "probably" "typical" "usually" "rare" to denote patterns of offender behaviors. In my posts, I also frequently refer to the fact that for every pattern you can find, you will also be able to find examples of offenders that do NOT fit. The outliers. So there's nothing wrong with thinking "not always" because I never claim that any of this happens "always."

    Behavioral patterns do, however, still provide a helpful framework for interpreting the evidence at crime scenes, but that's my personal opinion. I'm just here to share the research into this topic.

    For example, maybe in the course of your interest in crime you heard the "fact" that most children are killed by a family member and so in the early days of this case that fact informed your theory of the Delphi murders. Well, that fact is true, overall most children are killed as a result of domestic abuse from a family member or intimate in the home when you look at the pool of all child murders...but when you add in other factors of the crime such as did they go missing beforehand (actually missing, not staged after death), what were they doing just prior to disappearance, were their bodies ultimately found in a public area, how old were they, are they male or female, etc - a different picture emerges from this data that tells us that a "Delphi type" of crime is perpetrated by a family member a really, really low amount of the time. And the frequency of this type of crime being perpetrated by a total stranger, which is a low occurrence among most murders, suddenly is comparatively very high.

    If you find it useful (as I do) to know the statistics and the pattern of offender behavior on this, great. If not, feel free to take it with a very large grain of salt (that's what I do for a very large number of posts here).
     
  12. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Great post. What you are referring to is true data science, vs. my amateur research.
    As an amateur, I diddle around with data seeking insights, and to see if I can detect any emerging patterns. Even knowing what to query is an amazing talent in itself. With technology advancing, data tools are becoming available for "the rest of us," and it's really mind blowing how much we can learn....even as amateurs. Thank you for sharing your insights, and please keep them coming.

    I keep struggling with how this Perp murdered these children within a certain proximity to homeowner properties; seemingly within earshot. I can't reconcile this point, and it's bothering me.

    Amateur opinion and speculation
     
  13. Charlot123

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    It is hard to discuss an unknown killer, although one can project...

    1) I think Chris Watts's case can be discussed from this perspective, as much has been known about him. I think that he suffered from this condition, and during his life with SW, whatever he was unhappy with, he tried to "rationalize", and it did not work well (like the idea of having one more kid to strengthen the marriage, my!). And that some, essentially, fling, has resulted in such dramatic consequences has to do with the fact that somehow, some breakthrough had happened, and his emotions towards NK, he was able to feel and name. Anything around it got even more out of focus, of course, except for maybe anger and fear. But what he did with the kids - it was total alexithymia in action.

    2) I wonder if one word we might frequently hear from people suffering form alexithymia is "boredom". If the Delphi killer is young, this word his relatives might have heard from him often.
     
  14. Charlot123

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    Oh, I find your information interesting, and sometime use to analyze other cases, in other states (some in mine, too...the distance between the abduction and the body, what it means, for example). What I am always thinking about in conjunction with the Delphi case, though, is that we are desperately in need of a young gamer to analyze it. Something in this case is off... I just think I am too old to understand all details. And I also think we are having a new generation of young gamers growing up, and unless we are big-time gamers ourselves, or use them to look at such cases, not everything will work. So we shall have a number of outlier cases, or they will look as outliers, but they will be not, to younger people.

    MOO. I was looking at footage of one case from TX, how the guy moved, how he disappeared, he did look like a figure from a game to me.
     
  15. Kimpossible31

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    Missy B./TX also killer on video and also never caught. I hadn’t thought about this before!
     
  16. Ozoner

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    It wasn't within earshot of any house interiors. It might have been within earshot of the snowbirds' backyard, but even if they had been in Indiana, they wouldn't have heard anything unless they had been in their backyard at the time.
    The girls were probably too terrified to make any noise, anyway, so there probably wasn't anything to hear.
     
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  17. Charlot123

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    About Missy B - could be a woman on video, too. "Small", soft, economic movements.
     
  18. Charlot123

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    What was the name of a call girl (somewhere in the South) who got killed and there is a video of her client walking out of the condo, in eyeglasses?
     
  19. Yemelyan

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    Shelbey Thornburg.
     
  20. cujenn81

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    I pulled up the linked study on Wikipedia in regards to the statement you referenced about ADHD. The sample size for this study was extremely small, and the author even states that future longitudinal studies with larger sample sizes are warranted to confirm the findings. As a result, I don’t think an extremely significant correlation with ADHD can (or should) be considered a proven fact.

    I also pulled up additional journal articles about alexithymia and found no other mention of ADHD. I did find that many other conditions may (or may not) be associated with the physical trait known as alexithymia — Alzheimer’s Disease, epilepsy, anorexia, bulimia, Huntington’s Disease, stroke, childhood trauma or neglect, PTSD, traumatic brain injuries, Parkinson’s Disease, depression, anxiety, autism, substance abuse, sexual disorders, chronic pain disorders, fibromyalgia, and migraines. That’s quite the list.

    In my opinion, an investigation into individuals diagnosed with ADHD (or any other neurological or psychological disorder, for that matter) would be fruitless and only prove to further stigmatize individuals with such disorders. Although, I’m likely more sensitive about the issue than most because I’ve been diagnosed with ADHD myself.

    Side note — I can recognize and describe my emotions and “bodily sensations” with ease (possibly too much ease, actually).
     
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