Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #129

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  1. stattlich1

    stattlich1 Well-Known Member

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    For me, having worked in public school for 20 years, I could easily see a group of kids talking about an upcoming day off, maybe even looking forward at the weather forecast, knowing it would be nice, planning a meetup at the bridge, just to pal around.

    Then that conversation spreads, kids talking to parents, sharing on social media, being overheard by who knows who.

    I can personally attest to the tentacles of social media reaching far and wide.

    These girls didn't have to have a direct conversation with anyone. IMO, they likely didn't. But I do believe there could be an extensive population of people who may have known of their intentions to be at the bridge that day. A population unknown to LE.

    As far as the area around the bridge, and under the bridge, and down along the creek, I bet many a beer have been consumed, and many a joint smoked, all around there, by that population of local teens inclined to do so.

    I don't think BG escaped via that driveway, or by virtue of going back across the bridge from the direction he came. Too risky.

    MOO, he left via the way he came in, the cemetery. The only other potential escape that would provide cover would be using the woods to do so. Via the old railroad bed beyond the bridge, or up and along the woodline near the vacant home (the snowbird's place) and out to the driveway from there, or even to bridge creek, and out to Hoosier Highway to be picked up there.
     


  2. StarryStarryNight

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    Another thing I thought was interesting on the HLN show last night was when they were talking about the trails themselves. So much conversation on WS and elsewhere about how nobody knew about the trails so the killer must be local. Even Kelsi I think made comments like that.
    But on the show, the head of the Delphi Chamber of Commerce said that once the trails opened Delphi became a “destination”(her word). That before the murders they averaged at least one person a week stopping by for trail maps, sometimes more. This seems to to contradict the thought that the trails were only known to locals.
     
  3. Inside the Mind of a Stalker
    The predator. This is about sex gratification, control, and violence. The stalker doesn't necessarily know the victim. The victim may not know they are being stalked. But a predator plans their attack, rehearses it, has lots of sexual fantasies about it.


    .... in case, BG is a stalker.
     
  4. I don't believe it, I will wait for trial.
     
  5. Charlot123

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    To add - he is probably well-read and might "despise" people living around him for their lack of knowledge. It doesn't show because he masks well, but he definitely feels himself above the mainstream. He might form attachments (it is somewhat lonely out there), but he easily gets angry, too. MOO.
     
  6. Charlot123

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    I wonder if LE are playing the same "game" Janelle Matthew's LE played recently.

    Accidental vs knowing victims: clues
    SK vs a certain reason, so, only masking for SK: clues
    Local or semi-local vs "from faraway" : clues

    20 or 40: clues

    One or a group: clues

    Depending on what they have, they might get a better idea of who he really is
     
  7. minazoe

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    I have always thought of BG as a total geek..I still think he had a camera rig, I think the white things are the cables to the camera. I think of him as a 2 way radio geek, police scanner stuff and recording and videotaping his exploits.

    this is mOO...but I think he recorded his crimes...he also looks like the type that would impersonate different characters...

    wonder if he ever requested a map? mOO
     
  8. Sometimes I had been angry about the statements, there hadn't been any other visitors to the MHB area, when on the other hand it is known, that circa 50 people populated the area that day. What's the point with the different reportings? Why can't that finally be clarified? :confused::(
     
  9. StarryStarryNight

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    I don’t know if it’s true either, it’s just what they said.
    I would happily be wrong about everything in this case if we could just get an arrest and a trial.
     
  10. UnapologeticallyAspie

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    You have a great memory. MOO.
     
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    The only reason I don't think the suspect is a tech savvy geek, is leaving one of the girls cell phones behind. A tech savvy person would most likely know the data and location that can be stored on a phone is a huge risk being left behind. Powering it down and destroying it, seems like a better choice. The suspect didn't do that here. Also, most young people seem to have an awareness of this in general, especially location services.

    Assuming they do have DNA of the suspect. This person does not appear to be in any criminal databases already. That's telling. Probably never in the military. I'm assuming they would have had a warrant to check the dna in those databases. LE most likely ran it through whatever was available to them. Zilch.

    This person really has to keep their nose clean, from now until they die. One misstep.... Think of the jobs you would not even risk applying for because you would be terrified of a finger print requirement even. Your world just shrunk drastically, hence probably putting you into the shadows even more.

    IMO
     
  12. Andreee

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    yes, let's just HOPE that SOMEONE comes forth to expose this monster! And before he dies without being held accountable!
     
  13. He wasn't caught during 4 long years, so he did all things well, even in letting Libby's phone behind. So he seems to have an idea of communication techniques and tracking. IMO
     
  14. Absolutely!! I hope so! Before Covid-19 or the different mutants are taking him. ;)
     
  15. goldiegirl

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    I still think that somehow he already knew they would be there alone. It just doesn't make sense to me that he'd be hiding out in the bushes hoping for young girls to come by. Another thing that stands out to me is the way he immediately began talking to them/ordering them around. What if their parents had been around the corner? If not through social media contact I still think there was a way that he figured out they'd be there.

    ETA: Snapchat messages automatically delete themselves. LE may not have seen any suspicious phone activity, but the profile may have looked like a teenage boy. They wouldn't have seen any messages.

    And just because the trip was represented to be spontaneous doesn't mean it really was. Teens are crafty. Or they could have made casual mention of it to someone in a chat, even if they didn't intend to meet them there. Teens in my family often "sponganeously" want to go to McDonalds or Walmart, only to end up meeting up with all kinds of friends.
     
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    The Gray Hughes video above is approved for posting. Thanks for asking!
     
  17. bradfordsleuth

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    Quoted bbm

    Like a bomb threat being called into Indiana Packers on Feb 22, 2017? (the same day that 'Down the Hill' audio was released at the presser.)
     
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  18. Yemelyan

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    This was the most interesting part of the episode for sure.

    I wish we had clarity on what exactly they mean by "ping." Because that could either be the carrier deliberately sending a message out to the phone and receiving a location reply OR it could mean that the phone itself spontaneously announced its location to the network. People use this term both ways.

    BP said that due to the recent phone re-set, they didn't have the capability to use "find my iphone" from any of their devices and when the family called the cell provider they initially refused to help with location services. In "Scene of the Crime" the family relates that they were told by an in-the-know relative to get the ISP involved as the ISP had more leverage to request that cell providers cooperate.

    It's my understanding that if LE determines that things are urgent to find someone who could be in danger they can get cell providers to cooperate without a warrant, but the request has to come directly from LE. Seems like Abby and Libby's situation would fall under this, especially as the night went on.

    I also remember from the early days of the investigation that it was clarified that Delphi only had two cell phone towers at the time of the murders and you could stand in one spot and your cell would sometimes ping off one tower and sometimes the other in a random fashion. And because there were only two towers, it was not possible to triangulate pings to determine location in that area.

    To me there are at least two scenarios - either the 2:30 am ping was the last gasp of a phone sending out its final messages to the network before powering off (it seems difficult to believe that the battery would have lasted that long), or 2:30 am was the time the Carroll County Sheriff received location information from the cell provider after they finally successfully pinged the phone by LE request.

    We know from their own words that everyone hoped the girls had just run away to a friend's house for the night so it must have been a shock to everybody to find out that the phone was still in the location of the bridge.
     
  19. Peppery

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    LE has never said when he began talking to them.
     
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