Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #131

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  1. Yemelyan

    Yemelyan Well-Known Member

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    IMO, this is definitely a key to it.

    And it may go hand in hand with the fact I cited yesterday that a significant number of the perpetrators return to the scene. Obviously we don't know everything they do when they return but are they re-living that high, checking to see that they didn't make mistakes with evidence at the scene, perpetrating further crimes against the now-deceased victim? It can be any and all of these IMO
     
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  2. TL4S

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    <modsnip: Quoted post was removed> since we don't know what his "signatures" were, we likely can't glean much information about him from them.

    I will admit, I wouldn't be too surprised if he's an odd person, though, considering the "unusual" element that Ives describes...
     
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    I would imagine a killer closely following the case for similar reasons. Of course he wants to see if LE might be on his trail, but maybe there are secondary highs watching all the media coverage?
     
  4. Yemelyan

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    I agree with you, I won't be surprised either.

    I think the idea of a sophisticated mastermind who commits a murder and then slips right back into his regular life with no sign that he is different from you or I or even feels remorse is an idea that looms large in the mind of the public because the thought that there are murderers out there with these traits is really freaking scary. I don't say, certainly that there aren't some proportion of killers like this. However, the majority of them - especially those that prey on child victims - do have previous sexual problems, previous known mental problems, substance abuse, etc. There are very often indicators of "odd" behaviors prior to the crime. IMO
     
  5. MistyWaters

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    This is what I’d imagine as well, why it was quick. If fantasy is a driving factor, the memories from that heightened state while committing the crime are later, what’s the word....changed, altered, recreated?....made to fit whatever it is buried in the imagination of the killer that motivates the killer to do such a horrible act. If so the murders are a means to seek his pleasure, as disgusting as it is to call it that, but his fantasy remains with him after the fact.

    JMO
     
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    Who decided the caller could be trusted? GH or LE? How did this person know he was still in the area when DG arrived? That’s huge information I’ve never heard before.
     
  7. Peppery

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    I’ve always thought a gun was used to control them but how does GH know this for a fact? Who told him? Why wasn’t this ever reported?
     
  8. Yemelyan

    Yemelyan Well-Known Member

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    I know that GH is considered an approved source for this case, but this raises a lot of questions, IMO. How was this "trusted caller" vetted? We have no way to judge the accuracy of this information and I personally feel that it should be treated as a rumor.
     
  9. MistyWaters

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    I agree, which is why I think LE continues to emphasize that “somebody knows this guy”. It’s beyond somebody who physically resembles the photo, video, or sketch...it’s a person who also exhibits “off” behaviour from time to time, indicating he’s capable of committing senseless violence against innocent teens. If his brain is wired toward such a despicable act, I believe it’s impossible nobody who knows him has the slightest inkling.

    Just another comment - Early on LE was heavily criticized for arresting people related to other minor crimes or outstanding warrants who came to their attention during the investigation of this case. But I’d always wondered if they hoped an unknown suspect might get caught in that same net. JMO
     
  10. I like to put 3 questions here:
    Who in general is most likely to be forgiven for strange behavior, let us say: for the/his last 15-20 years?
    What qualities do you have to have in order for people to excuse strange behavior?
    What connections to upper-graded people do you have to reach to be forgiven strange behavior?
    (I'm speaking of a curriculum vitae before the Delphi crime.)
    There is a certain reason, that LE (DC?) said, the locals would be shocked, when they will learn the truth (similar wording).
     
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  11. MKind

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    I have been thinking about that a lot lately. We know Libby's phone was found, that's how we got the audio and video of the suspect, but I haven't heard anyone say anything about Abby's phone. Was it found with her? Do police have it? Or is it missing?
     
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    "just like his Uncle Stanley, just sayin' "
    "not been the same since (insert military action) and then the Army was done with him and 'round here we all know the VA is no help"
    "not the same since his Mama died in that car accident & he lived"
    "too many hits on his noggin winning that State Championship for the high school"
    "he was just fine before those lowlifes introduced him to dope"
    "he's a fine fella when he's sober"
    "since that beam fell on him in the plant and even the Union couldn't help him"

    just a few that come to mind from small town living. I'm sure there are others!

    jmho ymmv lrr
     
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    He said when an arrest is made, which he believes will happen, community members will likely be shocked at the identity of those arrested.”
    Lots of tips, no arrest in 2017 double homicide | Carroll County Comet

    Just my opinion but I think we get led down the garden path if we assume LE know who committed this crime and whatever they say, they’re dropping clues to help us guess who it is - even though we also know this is still an unsolved double homicide case.

    Leazenby used the words “he believes” and “will likely” - he did not say “locals will be shocked”. He’s free to say whatever he wants by clearly stating it’s his opinion and what might be possible. But in this statement he’s not declaring it as a fact. JMO
     
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    whew, catching up..

    as for all the sounds heard on the audio..breaking glass etc...

    did they scream? of course they did..wouldn't you? this is not what we have been asked to speculate about. we are supposed to focus on his voice.

    this is not a scary movie, its a real event with real people..

    while the subjects of staging and signature are interesting, the subjects of posing and screaming and mutilation, I don't think this kind of speculation is helpful because we really know nothing about the crime scene...even though it is described as horrific..the mere fact of it is horrific on it's face. I feel it's kind of exploitative of the girls to speculate and linger on these gruesome possibilities when we don't know the facts.

    next I had a thought..if the girls actually remarked about seeing that weird guy again or whatever...what if they recognized him NOT from earlier on the trail. BUT from somewhere else , like on their street or the last time they went out..?????

    mOO
     
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    Abby did not have a phone
     
  16. MKind

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    Okay thank you.
     
  17. TL4S

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    My interpretation of TL's comment is that if LE thinks the killer is local and still walking amongst the community, then bank tellers, grocery clerks, neighbors, coworkers, etc. would be shocked and unnerved to finally discover this person(s), with whom they are in regular contact, has committed these horrible crimes.

    Imagine finding out you had just served coffee to, chatted with, or accepted money from a freaking child murderer. *chilling* JMO
     
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  18. Yemelyan

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    Echoing what others have said....it will be shocking when this individual is caught because no one thinks their town could harbor such a depraved person capable of an act like this. "It couldn't happen here." But every murderer, even every serial killer, had to come from somewhere and it can't always be a big city. It doesn't really need to be a person with high status to be shocking IMO.

    Edited to add...I don't know whether the killer is from the Delphi community or not, but wherever he comes from there will be people saying "how could one of ours do that?" So that's part of the shocking piece that TL speaks to IMO.
     
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    Or people will be shocked they never recognized him.
     
  20. Jovi Girl

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    Does anyone think LE has someone on their radar but they don’t have enough evidence to arrest as of yet ?
     
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