Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #134

[Yemelyan]

Great post. Looking back at historical serial killers (I don't want to call them "historic" serial killers!), signatures are often things like posing the body after death, cleaning the body, the specific order of doing things (binding, etc.). Think about it this way: your signature in handwriting is unique and it's something above and beyond just writing your name. The cursive and flourishes are not necessary but they are part of how you identify yourself. It is similar for criminal signatures.

Great analogy. And yes - we've had posters on the Delphi threads before who've speculated things like, maybe the killer left flowers behind, or a deck of cards (trying to speculate on what Ives meant by a large amount of physical evidence, and not what one would imagine). But signatures - again, as criminologists use the term - is usually not about objects, it's about behaviors.

Signatures that are "commonly" seen (odd to call it common as these are the rarest of offenders who are leaving signatures) are mutilation, necrophilia, insertion of objects, posing the body in order to degrade the victim (note: staging the body to mislead the investigation is a different type of act, not signature but MO), cutting or shaving the victim's body hair, taking trophies, use of bindings and restraints (seen in most child murders perpetrated by strangers), and particular forms of violence aimed at depersonalizing the victim. Of course this list is not exhaustive but it's typical.

All JMO but if you want to read more this is a god resource: Articles

 

[teedie2]

Post 236 by Margarita 236 in previous thread...after a long absence from the recordings on the Delphi threads, these recordings, to almost fresh ears, sound like ... "Wait! ,,,,,,,, Down the hill." First word doesn't sound anything like "Guys" to me.

I've always admitted to being fairly hard of hearing, but these recordings are so cleaned up, I have no problem. I don't think I do, anyway.

Does everyone still hear "Guys" in these 3 recordings?

ISP: Delphi Homicide Investigation


Audio downloads:
Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav
Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.ogg
Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.mp3

eta the links. duh.


Another question, how does LE get two different people from a picture of the same person?

Perhaps I should skip the previous thread, and start on this one?

Really, don't we all want this solved and OVER? !!!!!!

 

[mi_hiker]

Another question, how does LE get two different people from a picture of the same person?

Hopefully someone can link all the relevant stories/interviews to back this up but the first (older looking) sketch was apparently drawn mostly from artist interpretation from the video/stills on phone. Some witness input may have been taken into account.

The second (younger looking) sketch was apparently created very shortly after the murders from an eye witness who saw this person the day of the crime. This is now the sketch in focus and the only one LE want used to reference the suspect.

 

[teedie2]

Thank you mi_hiker. I never knew how the second sketch came about. So I guess the eye witness saw a person who wasn't all covered up with baggy clothing, hat, etc.

Hope someone will help me out with the recording.

 

[Jax49]

Post 236 by Margarita 236 in previous thread...after a long absence from the recordings on the Delphi threads, these recordings, to almost fresh ears, sound like ... "Wait! ,,,,,,,, Down the hill." First word doesn't sound anything like "Guys" to me.

I've always admitted to being fairly hard of hearing, but these recordings are so cleaned up, I have no problem. I don't think I do, anyway.

Does everyone still hear "Guys" in these 3 recordings?

ISP: Delphi Homicide Investigation


Audio downloads:
Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.wav
Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.ogg
Delphi_Audio_Edited_2019x3.mp3

eta the links. duh.


Another question, how does LE get two different people from a picture of the same person?

Perhaps I should skip the previous thread, and start on this one?

Really, don't we all want this solved and OVER? !!!!!!

I still hear "Guys. Down the hill."

 

[LunaticFringe]

I still hear "Guys. Down the hill."

Four years later and people are still debating what he says about going down the hill.They went down the damn hill to their death...that is the sad part of it all..not what the monster said or didn't say.Bless their hearts.

 

[marisab67]

It seems Chadwell was homeless at times, so I wonder where he was living and whether he was in or out of prison at the time of this April 26, 2014 incident at RL's property.

April 26, 9:49 p.m. – Burglary, 5858W. 300N., Delphi. Ron Logan reported finding a person in his barn who was not authorized to be there. The unidentified person fled the barn prior to police arrival. The suspect was not located. Liggett investigated.

Right where my brain went when I read about him camping.

 

[Nancy1954]

Four years later and people are still debating what he says about going down the hill.They went down the damn hill to their death...that is the sad part of it all..not what the monster said or didn't say.Bless their hearts.

LE says the monster said.. "guys.. down the hill." I have no reason not to believe LE. There shouldn't BE any reason to debate that again.

JMO

 

[Diddian]

Right where my brain went when I read about him camping.

@Sillybilly. Note that there were TWO unauthorized visits to Ron Logan's property that motivated RL to call police; once in his barn and the other time in his house.

ETA: Here's the link, March 31, 2014 at 11:53am.
Police Calls | Carroll County Comet

 

[minazoe]

@Sillybilly. Note that there were TWO unauthorized visits to Ron Logan's property that motivated RL to call police; once in his barn and the other time in his house.

ETA: Here's the link, March 31, 2014 at 11:53am.
Police Calls | Carroll County Comet

Interesting because JBC talks about finding a guy in his house and a fight and a 400 dollar fine....just very interesting and want to reread his words.. mOO

 

[marisab67]

Interesting because JBC talks about finding a guy in his house and a fight and a 400 dollar fine....just very interesting and want to reread his words.. mOO

Yes! When I read that I immediately wondered if he was talking about himself and RL!!!

 

[Inthedetails]

Great analogy. And yes - we've had posters on the Delphi threads before who've speculated things like, maybe the killer left flowers behind, or a deck of cards (trying to speculate on what Ives meant by a large amount of physical evidence, and not what one would imagine). But signatures - again, as criminologists use the term - is usually not about objects, it's about behaviors.

Signatures that are "commonly" seen (odd to call it common as these are the rarest of offenders who are leaving signatures) are mutilation, necrophilia, insertion of objects, posing the body in order to degrade the victim (note: staging the body to mislead the investigation is a different type of act, not signature but MO), cutting or shaving the victim's body hair, taking trophies, use of bindings and restraints (seen in most child murders perpetrated by strangers), and particular forms of violence aimed at depersonalizing the victim. Of course this list is not exhaustive but it's typical.

All JMO but if you want to read more this is a god resource: Articles

Yes, a signature doesn't have to be an object. For example, I can tell who in the family did the dishes and cleaned the kitchen just by the way things were done (or not done!). I can read the "signature" left at the scene.

In this case, we've been told not only did the perp leave a "signature" but there is something "odd" about it.

jmo

 

[Alethea]

Nancy Grace is covering the development on Crime Stories today. She has Libby's grandmother BP on as a guest.

 

[Sillybilly]

Interesting because JBC talks about finding a guy in his house and a fight and a 400 dollar fine....just very interesting and want to reread his words.. mOO

That forced entry call on March 31 2014 was at 11:53 am. Presumably RL was not at home, so pretty ballsy to break into someone's house in broad daylight.

There are a lot of out buildings on RL's property, but starting at about 1:10 in this video, it pans from RL's house over to where the investigators cars are. About 1/2 way between that distance, through the trees there is a building just down the embankment. It's a fair distance from the house, but I can see someone being able to hang out there without RL knowing about it, and being able to see when RL left the house.

Of course this is all pretty moot in relation to JBC if he was in prison at the time.

 

[Sillybilly]

Yes, a signature doesn't have to be an object. For example, I can tell who in the family did the dishes and cleaned the kitchen just by the way things were done (or not done!). I can read the "signature" left at the scene.

In this case, we've been told not only did the perp leave a "signature" but there is something "odd" about it.

jmo

Is that you Mom ??

 

[Tealgrove]

Posts in July 2017
July 9
"Art"
Video of a pencil sketch of two girls on a tree (Abby and Libby?)
Link to post
July 20
"Pit Bully... So vicious..."
Pictures of him and his dog
Link to post

It almost looks like Slenderman on the right.

MOO

 

[iamnotagolem]

@Sillybilly. Note that there were TWO unauthorized visits to Ron Logan's property that motivated RL to call police; once in his barn and the other time in his house.

ETA: Here's the link, March 31, 2014 at 11:53am.
Police Calls | Carroll County Comet

After the whole conversation the other day about JBCs clothing style vs BG, then rewatching the interview with RL, it made me really suspicious that maybe If JBC is BG that he stole clothes from RLs house. Because BGs clothes look like RLs clothes.
jMO MOO

 

[spandangly]

If BG has an odd signature, which implies a ritual or compulsion, how has he not been connected to any other crime?? I can understand victims who are overlooked or written off, but doesn't it seem like an odd signature would stand out? And what about taking two girls who would immediately be missed, and not hiding them well? Was this a departure from his usual victim? Does his signature degrade over time?

 

[Skillz]

I’m sure this has already been said somewhere in here, but a signature in this case could have been:

• A dog bite
• A homemade weapon (JBC is a welder by trade)
• Positioning of the bodies in an A-typical way

 

[mekeritrig]

It almost looks like Slenderman on the right.

MOO

This is the source of the drawing he's tracing. Originally posted in 2008.

We're simply meant to be. by badash13 on DeviantArt