Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #134

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  1. kkdj

    kkdj Well-Known Member

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    I never thought it was meant spiritually or religiously.
     


  2. Yemelyan

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    What TL said in HLN documentary was that it was suggestive of a fingerprint, but that also - like the DNA - they do not know if it's the killer's fingerprint. So I guess the possibility remains that the "fingerprint" is on an object that LE believes could have been handled by someone who is not the killer. It's not likely that fingerprints were recovered from the girls' bodies IMO. It's possible, but human skin is not the best medium due to the oils on it and the elasticity of it. IIRC I read a study that said that the successful recovery of fingerprints directly from human skin decreased every hour until by the 24 hour mark it was very, very difficult to recover them. Plus add in that this was an outdoor crime scene where the victims were exposed to overnight conditions including fog or dew.

    On the subject of clearing POI - I don't think LE's silence at this juncture is indicative of JBC's involvement or not. Posters who have been around from the beginning will remember that in the earliest days of the investigation, LE were apparently actively looking at a different child rapist from Kokomo with the initials JDD (for those who say, what are the odds that there are two child rapists in this small area? - There are at least three.) And this guy IMO had a previous method of abduction that was more similar to the Delphi case and an victim closer in age to Abby and Libby (plus she was a complete stranger to him). He also had numerous factors that seemed to fit what was known (sex offender, looked like the sketch, changed appearance after the crime) but LE never officially made a statement clearing him either.
     
  3. MistyWaters

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    If not for a belief in the afterlife, what would the dead be experiencing today?
     
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  4. MistyWaters

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    Even if it’s believed JC did not participate in the crime I wonder if LE would clear him? According to the tone of statements below, possibly not.

    Sheriff Leazenby continues to answer double homicide questions | Carroll County Comet
    Q. In January 2019, you did an interview with a woman named Angela explaining that Ron Logan has been “covered” and not “cleared”. Have you been able to clear Ron Logan yet?

    A. No one is truly “cleared” until we have the alleged responsible party in custody and formal criminal charges are filed by the prosecutor.

    Daniel Nations no longer a major concern in Delphi murders
    “As you all know, we went out to Colorado and we spent a little bit of time with him [Daniel Nations], and he's not a person we care a whole lot about at this time," Superintendent Douglas Carter with the Indiana State Police said Tuesday. “Until somebody is arrested, we’re interested in almost everybody.”
     
  5. UnapologeticallyAspie

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    Respectfully snipped & BBMFF.

    I would also think this above, IF:
    1) he liked, enjoyed and/or needed, (or any other form that falls into this category) to hear her screams, pleads, crying, etc., then he wouldn’t have used tape.
    2) I don’t think he had the time to do it, for many reasons.
    mOO

    Good thought though!
     
  6. Rosegold68

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    He may not have had time but he could have told one girl to tape up the other
     
  7. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Definitely “guys”.




    eta: my post 236 from last thread:
    Eta, oh I see know, you were just referencing the files I posted. :) I thought you were saying that I was saying it sounded like “wait”.
     
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    Not all welders. but JBCs employer Moon Fabrications makes refineries, silos and storage tanks.
     
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    a lot
     
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    Can anyone tell what the object is below his right hand?
     
  12. mi_hiker

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    Looks like the pocket showing through a rip in the jeans.

    I agree, it does stick up a bit odd though. At first I thought he had a cell phone stuck in there.
     
  13. Spartygirl

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    AGREE !!!
     
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    To my eye, it looks similar but not identical to the brown area in the same place in the photo of BG.
     
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    On closer inspection, it looks like there is a bottle opener attached to a large wallet of some sort. Maybe it can be clipped to a belt loop, more in the same place as the photo of BG.
     
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    It looks to me to be ripped jeans revealing the cotton lining of the pocket with a cellphone or some type of case inside the pocket. The fraying of the denim is visible. His jeans are ripped on the other side where the pocket would be as well but not as much, holes on the leg part of the jeans also.
     
  17. tmar

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    Had there been wigs involved?
    A false beard?
    This easily alters appearance.
     
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    Wow. MOO
    it is a flat rectangular object jammed into his pants cargo pocket.
     
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    Knowing the
    I was referring to the 9 year old.
    I must have mis-read the post that I responded to. mOO
     
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    How long does it take for LE to confirm a DNA match?
    Days? Weeks? Months?
     
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