Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #134

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  1. ShamelessObserver

    ShamelessObserver Well-Known Member

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    Oh and also the fact that (referring to Grey Hughes video) because BG was able to drag Libby, he must be fairly strong and not some old man.
     


  2. SBops

    SBops Former Member

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    Who is DG?
     
  3. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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    Liberty's father, Derrick.
     
  4. Pyschsandi

    Pyschsandi “There can be no good without evil.”

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    Pyschsandi “There can be no good without evil.”

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    If JBC isn’t BG he still needs to be in prison for the rest of his life. He is a true psychopath. He is a good suspect for Delphi. Many serial killers start out with other crimes and they graduate to murder. If LE doesn’t have DNA, I hope they find some kind of trophy. This guy is not smart and neither was BG. BG may have gotten away with the crime but Who doesn’t check a teen for a phone? I may be wrong but I truly think that JBC could be BG.
     
  6. Peppery

    Peppery Well-Known Member

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    I can’t listen to the video right now but
    1. What cameras captured DG searching? Haven’t we been told there are no cameras on the trail?
    2. How do they know BG was at the scene for 20 minutes while DG was searching?
    3. If there’s only one partial possible fingerprint, it makes me think BG has on gloves
    4. If he drug the body with his hands, would that leave bruising or more likely that he wrapped something around her wrists, like a rope (maybe white thing sticking out of his coat?)

    imo, I always struggle with the validity of GH’s video info
     
  7. MistyWaters

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    And the 3:30pm (20 minutes beyond 3:10pm) was stated during a PC and Q&A. I’m very disappointed GH wouldn’t ask “what cameras?” was DG sighted by, looking for his daughter. IMO that’s a real good clue the integrity of his source is questionable.

    County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers | Carroll County Comet
    Q. It has been stated in a press conference that “it was all over by 3:30 on Feb 13.” This statement was based on what information?

    A. Evidence. I do not recall a specific time though but rather a time line.
     
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  8. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    I could have been his father or brother due to stats and DNA geneology.

    Yet.. slam dunk .. for those of us who understand *SQUIRREL!!!! SQUIRREL!!!!


    NOPE.

    I will not be misled by squirrels.

    Myself, this is a *SQUIRREL* MOO
     
  9. sunshineray

    sunshineray Well-Known Member

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    That sounds like the guy I've referenced a few times in this video talking about BG being in the area a longer time and when Libby's dad was looking for her. He also said only touch DNA from one of the girl's sweatshirts.

    At 2:04:20 (DG searching, BG there)
    At 1:59:30 (Touch DNA)

     
  10. taylorss

    taylorss Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, interesting! The sketch was done from video ... I don’t see a resemblance at all to the BG video
     
  11. OverTheRhine

    OverTheRhine Well-Known Member

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    Although, the Jerry Holeman interview at CrimeCon has him going into some details about the sketch and how witnesses were involved. But they never agreed on the hat. I can definitely see the sketch being produced by a combined effort of the video and the witnesses. Specifically the hat in the video resembling the sketch. I can absolutely see how it could have been a welders hat though, but most people wouldn't know what that is so they go with something that is more common and similar in style.
     
  12. mi_hiker

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    A few random thoughts based on the first few pages of this thread and the last few of the prior.

    In the Ives interview (someone posted transcript here) there's mention of contact DNA. Ives is very careful not to reveal details in the case that have been withheld, however he does give quite a detailed example in the below snippet. It's my opinion there is touch or contact DNA, probably lots of it. It can be used to prove someone came in contact with one of the girls, but can't prove they committed the murder. Not helpful if the killer had a valid reason to be around the girls, very helpful for someone who has zero reason to come in contact with them prior to the murder. Please note in the below snippet Ives is not confirming what was found on the girls, he's using vague examples. This also aligns with the post I quoted above about GH's informant saying they apparently have weak partial touch DNA.

    But when you’re just thinking “Oh, there’s contact DNA, somebody brushed somebody, somebody touched somebody”, I mean all that’s really…there’s really a lot of stuff there to sort it out, to find out, particularly if it’s unknown and then to match an unknown. And even if it isn’t an unknown person, that doesn’t mean they committed the crime. And you’d look at these two I mean these are two girls that are at school all day. I mean there’s no telling how many people’s DNA might be on their clothing.

    It's also my opinion that someone who was camped out in the woods would cut possible interaction with bystanders in half. Already there for days (possibly) and only needs to make an exit not an entrance. This also fits with a "lair" or set-up as well as an abundance of physical evidence (which Ives states several times as fact in above linked interview). If this person needed to break camp it could also explain staying past the crime to attempt to clean up.

    Just a few random thoughts I wanted to get out there while they were fresh in my mind.
     
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  13. Elle*Bee

    Elle*Bee We're all just stories in the end.

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    It's not AT&T-specific. I have a different carrier that uses the same 4G LTE icon.
     
  14. taylorss

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    oh wait, I’m confused on the sketches - I thought “young BG” sketch is one that was done right away from video but then not released for a year or two ?? .. but that has no hat. The hat sketch “old BG” does IMO have a good resemblance to BJC.

    “Young BG” is so generic that it could be or could not be about 1/2 the male population of the US MOO including BJC !
     
  15. WestieMom

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    On a different facebook picture of his,where other guys are in it...screenshot shows metro by tmobile
     
  16. Knox

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    Is there a separate thread for Chadwell? Curious if he has any social media still up?
     
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  18. ReadySet

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    Could you clarify what you mean here?
    IMO the OP was giving an example with the 1 in 400, not saying this was what is happening with the possible DNA of BG.
    I know what "squirrel" in this context means, but what do you mean by "squirrel" here?
    TIA for clarifying!

     
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  19. drama_farmer

    drama_farmer Central Kentucky (Bluegrass)

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    Not necessarily. If the wrists are bound together, the trailing rope can be looped around a tree/other object to increase a person's pulling power. If it's true that wrist bruising was found, I could image such a maneuver would be more likely to cause it than simply grasping her wrists by his own hands. IMO
     
  20. Miigo

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    is your carrier icon listed at the top left of your phone screen?
     
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