Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #134

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  1. zencompass

    zencompass Hope springs eternal

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    Dear @raja,

    Great point! It's a possibility as the first sketch shown *the younger sketch" was compiled from descriptions from witnesses. No facial hair.

    There are so many possibilities surrounding this case - I think we do well with the few details we have been told.

    My thoughts have been that Chadwell was homeless at that time (he was in between jobs) and could have been camping out in the wooded area - just a possibility. JMO

    The vehicle that the L.E. was interested in identifying (the one that was parked by the closed old building) may even have been Chadwell's vehicle. Homeless people still sometimes have vehicles. They just couldn't afford to stay where they were living.

    These are all just my thoughts and opinions.

    Hoping so hard that there is news soon from the L.E. (I know we all are)

    Especially hoping that Libby and Abby's families have an answer that will solve this. My heart is with them as they wait and hope.

    May tomorrow be the day!
     


  2. zencompass

    zencompass Hope springs eternal

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    Dear @oceanblueeyes,

    Great insight (as always!)

    I believe that social media accounts as well as the Websleuths site are watched by perpetrators as well as law enforcement.

    That was a fascinating fact you shared with us about a murderer posting here on W.S.! There is always a chance that the murderer or a member of his/her family or a friend is posting here. They would likely post rumours or misinformation about the murderer but the members of WS stick with the facts and they won't be fooled by any of that.

    I, too, admire the time and effort Gray Hughes takes in creating his information, maps, etc. His compassion for victims in all of the cases he covers in his "Gray Hughes Investigates" is evident.

    Gray Hughes is also careful with his wording during the videos. He clearly points out what are "rumours" about the cases and what the actual facts known are.

    I also especially like how Gray Hughes uses satellite images to zoom onto buildings to show up where cameras are located. This has always been so helpful.

    In his most recent video, G.H. shows a camera which is directed across the street to the old building parking lot where the L.E. were asking for information about a vehicle that had been there on February 13th.

    Hopefully tomorrow or very soon there will be a press conference from the L.E.

    I keep thinking of Abby and Libby's families (I know we all do) and I admire their strength and closeness during this unfathomable time (since February 13, 2017).

    May they always be surrounded by comfort, strength and love.


    JMO
     
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  3. Alethea

    Alethea Verified Attorney

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    I think I’m alone in this but I don’t think the first and second sketches look anything alike. It’s not just facial hair, it’s face shape, age, hair texture, ear size and shape, weight. They are IMO two different people. If LE has video of more of the crime (as I think they’ve alluded to), I would go off the video before someone’s recollection of someone they passed by.

    There are a lot of studies on eyewitness testimony but why it is usually valuable is because the witness saw something shocking or traumatic that creates a strong memory that they can recollect. We don’t necessarily remember accurately everyone we come across absent some reason to remember them. If a witness saw a man attacking two girls or leading them down the hill, I would trust that recollection more than trying to recall random people walking near someone on a path.

    I am sure LE has a very good reason for releasing the second sketch but having two sketches is confusing unless you are warning of two offenders IMO.
     
  4. taylorss

    taylorss Well-Known Member

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    There have been so many different stories around about the crime scene / location that I srsly have no idea - I know nothing about any possible “posing”’ or state of victims etc or anything else about “how he left them.”

    But can I say that in general a crime scene near a body of water may not have good dna IMO. a perp may take advantage of presence of water to submerge victim’s body and rid it of external DNA. MOO - no info, just speculation based on generality
     
  5. SBops

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    I agree and that really long protruding chin on the second sketch is not obvious on the vid of BG. I am sure that would be evident even on a poor quality still.
     
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    I don’t see any resemblance between the two sketches either.
     
  7. gravegemini

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    Plus the fact that the girls borrowed the sweatshirts they had on.. the trace DNA definitely doesn’t sound strong. Really hoping that LE does have something more solid. Either way, I fully trust that the signatures are unique and will help identify BG.

    Thanks for sharing- tons of new information I hadn’t heard yet.. IMO it continues to support BG being younger (strong enough to carry out this crime), familiar with the area, and that this certainly was not his first crime (or murder).

    As for JBC- I also found it strange that he was not restrained while walking through the station.. I know we only have a few frames to compare to, but the walk/body language seemed pretty similar. Lots of similarities- staying positive, but not getting my hopes up just yet.

    Crossing my fingers for some positive news soon.. justice is long overdue for these girls and their families.
     
  8. Boxer

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    Sketches are super broad representations.

    Every man in Indiana seems to look like one of those sketches, its wierd.


    MOO JBC looking like the sketch is the least of the indicators he should be a POI.

    His height, weight, and WMA are a physical match.

    The disparity of strength between him and a child is the means.

    Sexually and physically assaulting a child is a obviously a motivation for him.
    Along with violent general criminality.

    Living and working in the area provides broad opportunity.

    Let's hope if he did it they have the evidence.
     
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  9. Daisy1980

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    Possible that the “camera” that saw DG was a GoPro type thing a cyclist was using.
    Speculation
     
  10. Doghairrules

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    I’ve been trying to remember how long it took for LE to announce that Jesse Matthew was also tied to the murder of Morgan Harrington after they arrested him for Hannah’s murder. Haven’t had time to go back and look.
     
  11. 155etta

    155etta Well, well, well.....

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    Why would he need to drag her? Have to think on this one. MOO.
     
  12. Dontknow?

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    From being in the water to wash away DNA possibly? Being dragged to the area they were found in.
     
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    Just an afterthought on the partial DNA question:

    Partial DNA might not let them make a match but it can be enough to rule somebody out. If for example they have the 9-location data, somebody who doesn't match those locations, can be eliminated. That could be why they were able to rule out some of the earlier possibilities like DN.
     
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    Maybe he didn't need to. Maybe he just wanted to.
     
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  15. Doghairrules

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    it’s interesting. I couldn’t find any pics of JBC right before or after 2/2017 but when he does post a pic in July he is clean shaven.
     
  16. Boxer

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    That sounds right.
    MOO All long its seems they have been able to eliminate but not move forward to identify.
     
  17. minazoe

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    she could have been dragged because she was unconscious,

    my best guess is she was knocked unconscious and was dragged a ways by her bound wrists.

    or she was bound by hands and wrist and dragged. or she was dragged in the fight..dragged to the water etc.

    mOO
     
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  18. sunsetbeach

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    I believe you are 100% correct. I spoke with the man today and have read what he has to say and I believe he’s very legit. Grays source lives in the Delphi area and he’s been around for a long time. This info has been known elsewhere on the internet (not FB). He’s also not that crazy person who caused an uproar recently either. IMO.
     
  19. StarryStarryNight

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    Please someone, tell me where and when it has ever been mentioned that anyone near the trails on Feb 13 2017 saw anyone cycling. If...as GH’s source claims...there was “another cyclist”, where is the reference to the first cyclist? I’m not trying to be difficult, but it is presented as if it’s important information, and I’m oblivious apparently.
     
  20. Boxer

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    Can you point me to the news clip of him walking through fhe station.
    And not restrained? What do you mean?
     
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