Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #136

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  1. ShamelessObserver

    ShamelessObserver Well-Known Member

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    Doesn’t work if you just keep responding with no comment

    they can only hold him for so long without clear proof
     


  2. ShamelessObserver

    ShamelessObserver Well-Known Member

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    I believe they know who he is. If there’s just one piece of the puzzle left, then what else could it be except a name and plausible reason to arrest him?

    A name alone isn’t enough to solve this case though. They need a name with some further info that matches what they know about him.


    For example

    ‘The suspect looks just like my friend Joe Bloggs. He had a bright purple Ford Mustang around that time and would drive it around quite a lot, but I haven’t seen him drive that thing in years and I don’t think he’s ever sold it.’

    Name ✅
    Car ✅
    Car is the same as the one at the CPS building ✅


    Arrest
     
  3. Yemelyan

    Yemelyan Well-Known Member

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    Most people IMO will eventually say something other than "no comment." An experienced interrogator is great at making you think that there are certain non-incriminating things you can respond to without getting yourself in trouble.

    And then some people end up talking because LE worked to charge them with some other, often petty, crime and they are sitting in jail and have nothing better to do, or they want to bargain for some luxury they don't have.

    Sometimes it's because of hubris, or they think they are smarter than LE. Sometimes they are in fact pretty smart but they just have to have some small amount of recognition for how smart they are and that's their downfall.

    And sometimes - don't discount this because the Delphi case isn't solved yet - the suspect is not too intelligent. LE always has to watch out for this type because they can end up confessing to things they didn't do. That's how well the Reid technique works.
     
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  4. ShamelessObserver

    ShamelessObserver Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough I just personally think that BG will give them nothing but I hope I’m wrong!
     
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  5. helpfulcharlie

    helpfulcharlie Probably not the real Chuck Finley

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    I share the frustration. The flipside of this, to LE's great benefit, is that when you keep details close to the vest, and some nutjob tries to inject himself into the case by making a lot of wild claims, you have a real good sense right away of whether they actually know anything or not.
     
  6. Justice101

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    If they need one thing.. then I agree with others, that is it probably a name.. so they can get DNA from him in a backdoor manner.

    I like the discussions about LE ways to get to the truth. These guys are masters of that... that is, if the person brought in doesn't actually think they are a prime suspect. If the guy will talk at all, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that interrogation room. They'll lie to him if they have to (say they have his DNA) so that they can turn the guy's story back against himself. No matter how smart you are as a criminal, you can't make up every little detail that LE will ask you... and eventually it will all start to unravel.

    Fascinating to watch this. It is a science.

    My HOPE is the JBC is the guy. My 2ND HOPE is that some other guy is in their target My FEAR is that they've eliminated their top 5 suspects and they are only working on 6 thru 10.
     
  7. minazoe

    minazoe Well-Known Member

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    it's a weird situation because JBC is already lawyered up on the attempted murder case
    and he's really so totally GUILTY in that case ..the cops really have zero excuse to offer him any kind of a deal. Also it's unlikely they can even talk to him.

    wonder what they do in this situation?
     
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  8. jg580

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    If they know who it is but the missing piece is the name then how could they know who it is but not know his name? I'm sure I'm missing something obvious (my brain isnt working quite right these days lol) but can someone please clue me in?
     
  9. ShamelessObserver

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    Because they may know who he is but lack evidence....

    so if you tipped in BG and you were correct, you could perhaps give them some info about BG that would confirm to LE it’s finally the day to make the arrest.

    for example the type of car he drove at the time of the murders, or that you know he was off work that day
     
  10. ShamelessObserver

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    So they may already know his name but need that little tip of info like the above to arrest him
     
  11. ShamelessObserver

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    Because, like I keep saying, just giving his name alone won’t be enough for LE to arrest him. They need some credible info alongside the name to ‘push the button’ and get the cuffs on him
     
  12. Yemelyan

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    What he's accused of in that case is horrible and he SHOULD go away a very long time for it, but you might be surprised at how light the sentence may end up being. And if that turns out to be so, he may be very interested to know how seriously LE are looking at him for the Delphi case, and that could make him want to test the waters.

    I know of another case where a person was in the process of serving a lengthy sentence for child rape and he was given an immunity agreement to talk to investigators on a cold case if only he would also agree to be candid, honest, and completely truthful. LE were able to show that he changed his story multiple times and was being the opposite of honest. He ultimately incriminated himself and ended up sentenced to a further two life terms for child abduction with intent to defile and murder. The immunity agreement was tossed out, appealed, and tossed again. Why did he agree to talk to them in the first place, you may ask? Only he knows the reasons but likely because he was bored. Whenever he got to interview with the cold case investigators, he often got restaurant food brought in for him or a ride to a different correctional facility to do the interview. It's the little things, apparently.
     
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    Thank you for the explanation :) So its not literally a name as I was taking it but more info that can confirm what they suspect.
     
  14. SMK777

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    I don’t get it, either.
    Edit: Just read posts above, got it.
     
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  15. JnRyan

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    I was just watching a news clip from April of this year on the Missy Bevers case. The police chief states they've received over 3,000 tips. This is a nationally covered case with video of the killer and they've got 3K tips in 5 years. With 4 years here LE has over 50,000 tips. If only 5% appear to be worth following up that amount is almost equal to the total tips in the Bevers case. And I imagine the number of tips LE have looked into is much greater than 5%. If new investigators are assigned and they decide to start from the beginning that is going to be a massive undertaking.

    I still believe that when an arrest is made the killer will be found to be the subject of a tip or tips. Maybe a DNA sample didn't make it to the lab or failed to be tested. Maybe a miscommunication between original investigators led to an alibi not being verified. With 50K tips it is lot easier for a mistake to be buried.
     
  16. Detective Willy

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    After 4 years these are some of the key points I have taken:

    1) There are 3 "odd" signatures left by the killer. If BG kills again these signatures may be present.
    2) There is no point releasing more video.
    3) There is no more audio of BG. "Down the Hill" is the only audio LE has of BG.
    4) Investigators have regrets that they cancelled the canine unit that was on the way before they found the girls bodies. The dogs may have been able to track where BG went after the murders.
    5) LE has a lot more info like the cause of death but they will be saving this for the court room.
    6) Full time investigators are still working on this case every day.
    7) They are very confident they will catch "the person or people". This indicates they think its possible 2 people are involved.
     
  17. CNYDarkStar

    CNYDarkStar Well-Known Member

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    Like Chadwell...
     
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  18. SMK777

    SMK777 Well-Known Member

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    Very good summation. What was the reason they canceled the canine unit, if the girls had yet to be found?
     
  19. Yemelyan

    Yemelyan Well-Known Member

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    The canine unit that was en route was trained to find living people and the idea was that the canines would track the girls (whose whereabouts were still unknown). However, before the dogs arrived, the girls were found dead. It's my understanding from the HLN Down the Hill episode that a decision was made that there was no longer a need to track a living person. Later it was realized that IF the canines could have tracked the perpetrator's route from the area, that would have been useful information. Key word being "if." It's unknown if this would have been successful. Leazenby cited this as one of his regrets about the handling of the crime. According to the Carroll County Comet Q&A, as of February 2021 investigators still don't know exactly how the killer left the area. Theories have been developed but nothing is 100% certain at this time.
     
  20. SMK777

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    Thanks very much, I understand.
     
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