Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #140

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from the down the hill podcast

BARBARA: A lot of people thought in the beginning that maybe they were lured there, or had been communicating with somebody and had, you know, a meeting time or something and that there could be a link like that.

ROBERT IVES: That seems unlikely to me

Delphi Murders 3 Signatures: Robert Ives Interview Transcript from 'Down the Hill' Podcast - CrimeLights

Robert Ives was an ex-prosecutor when interviewed so he wasn’t even speaking in a professional capacity. “seems unlikely” is afar cry from an outright denial “it didn’t happen”. And if we consider him to have denied the possibility, does that mean LE is prevented from investigating that avenue at a later date and if so, why would that be? Don’t we all want this case solved some day?
 
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The way things were worded gives the impression that the wide net cast by the Delphi investigation led to Kline, but I have not seen anything in MSM stating that the Delphi investigation team considers Kline a POI in that case.

If you have a quote from them that says that he is, then please share it.

It's implied that he is connected in some way. (not verbatim) If you have had interaction with Anthony_shots profile, contact the Abby and Libby tipline. KAK was arrested for making and things he did using the Anthony_shots profile and has been cooling his heels in jail for a year
 
Robert Ives was an ex-prosecutor when interviewed so he wasn’t even speaking in a professional capacity. “seems unlikely” is afar cry from an outright denial “it didn’t happen”. And if we consider him to have denied the possibility, does that mean LE is prevented from investigating that avenue at a later date and if so, why would that be? Don’t we all want this case solved some day?
you see .. catfishing simply can be found by processing the information of the girls phone which was found at the scene...so it either happened and it was discovered then or it didnt.. or else how do they discover catfishing later ?
also why not simply call the kk a poi.. did that happen ?
 
We've all wondered about the sound thing for some time. Gunshot? Scream? [/B]
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If that is the case, maybe they either didn't scream or scream loud enough.
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Still, I wonder why we've never heard anything about screams or gunshots. Even with sources - Facebook posts, Reddit, unauthorized YT videos, etc. - that can't be used here there is nothing about ANYONE hearing a scream. Not even the hint of a rumor.

‘After thinking about your post a few things come to mind.

In all the threads I only remember a single post back in 2019 by SeekingJann which mentioned a rumor about a gun shot which had absolutely no credibility. Anyhow SeekingJann posted,”Somehow, early in the case, it was believed there were gunshots heard which was false.

In a YouTube program with Grey Hughes;Kelsie answered a question from a viewer where she unequivocally confirmed noises in the Monon High Bridge vicinity were audible. Kelsie and Corry (her brother)were searching and yelling back and forth and there there was no problem hearing each other.I know I have a link but I will have to find it. If someone else has the link I would appreciate it if you would post it for me.

Sadly if BG carried tie wraps and duck tape like Israel Keyes that could account for no screams.But there is no evidence BG brought anything but the gun.

MOO
 
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you see .. catfishing simply can be found by processing the information of the girls phone which was found at the scene...so it either happened and it was discovered then or it didnt.. or else how do they discover catfishing later ?
also why not simply call the kk a poi.. did that happen ?
Wasn’t it said that KAK is not a suspect in the actual murders? imo
 
‘After thinking about your post a few things come to mind.

In all the threads I only remember a single post back in 2019 by SeekingJannn which mentioned a rumor about a gun shot with no credibility. Anyhow SeekingJann posted,”Somehow, early in the case, it was believed there were gunshots heard which was false.

In a YouTube program with Grey Hughes;Kelsie answered a question from a viewer where she unequivocally confirmed noises in the Monon High Bridge were audible. Kelsie and Corry (her brother)were searching and yelling back and forth and there there was no problem being hearing each other.

Sadly if BG carried tie wraps and duck tape like Israel Keyes that could account for no screams.But there is no evidence BG brought anything but the gun.

MOO
Is there evidence we know of that he brought a gun? I’ve only heard speculation.
 
you see .. catfishing simply can be found by processing the information of the girls phone which was found at the scene...so it either happened and it was discovered then or it didnt.. or else how do they discover catfishing later ?
also why not simply call the kk a poi.. did that happen ?

Well we know that Libby’s cellphone was reset so prior communications would be lost. And it’s sometimes not possible to trace all SM or phone contact, for example if the party on the other end is using a burner cellphone and some apps apparently don’t leave records of messages. LE has never claimed that they’ve been successful in satisfactorily identifying all of Libby’s cellphone contacts.

Yes, I agree, KAK appears to only be a person of interest at this time. I haven’t noticed anything to indicate he’s become a suspect, other than speculation.
 
Is there evidence we know of that he brought a gun? I’ve only heard speculation.
In Grey Hughes last YouTube video he mentions a source shared with him that when investigators played Libby’s phone audio to Abby’s mother (Anna Williams)the last audible sound was a gun being cocked.

‘Grey Hughes is a TOS approved source to use. But indeed a direct “quote” from Anna Williams would actually make it verified

‘My Opinion Only
 
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Great seeing you on the thread. I will have surgery next year for an ongoing eye issue

Yes, in Grey Hughes last YouTube video he mentions a source shared with him when investigators played Libby’s phone audio to Abby’s mother (Anna Williams)the last audible sound was a being gun cocked.

"A source" :rolleyes:

I'd believe Anna, but not "a source."
 
It's implied that he is connected in some way. (not verbatim) If you have had interaction with Anthony_shots profile, contact the Abby and Libby tipline. KAK was arrested for making and things he did using the Anthony_shots profile and has been cooling his heels in jail for a year

One other add - the Abby and Libby tip line goes to the Carroll County Sheriff’s office. KAK’s current crimes are charged in Miami county. I wouldn’t expect the Carroll County Sheriff’s office to be looking for information for a case in Miami County. JMO
 
One undeniable fact is that KAK allegedly wrote himself an alibi on Facebook by changing the date on his Vegas employment, which he never worked at that casino in Vegas as has been clearly debunked. His entire profile except being affiliated with IN was fake.

There are screen captures of the edited version all over the www that shows the updated edit on that faux employment FB post he dated for FEB 13, 2017 indicating it was changed after the murders. Liar!

There's no normal reason for editing that day's employment if not for being coincidentally the date of the dbl homicides, FEB 13, 2017. There are no coincidences in murder investigations.

Explaining that away is as easy as "hey I'm a child predator that lives near where this murder happened, I didn't do it but I can't prove I was elsewhere, so I'll make up some proof" and done.

And I would venture to say there absolutely are coincidences in murder investigations, they just need to be followed up on and investigated until they are resolved one way or the other.
 
KAK wrote himself an alibi and JBC went dark on FB on the same exact day. coincidence? is it all just a coincidence? well..we have one guy who is 100 percent capable as has been proven in a court of law..add in his tattoos, comments , photos and general whereabouts..who matches in size and demeanor the person depicted on the bridge.( a man who works welding on high locations) .and we have another guy who is one hundred percent into young girls and may have threatened and stalked young girls and also asked young girls to meet with him in places like parks.

so you have these two just coincidentally perfect suspects to put together a meet up in a park...one of them is a homicidal maniac...how did it go down? what actually occurred? obviously KAK talked to the girls ..did he find out on the news and freak out? maybe the message was from the girls to him saying they would be at the park..
and another user on this profile shows up.

when I think of JBC's tiktok video and some of the other unexplainable things I have seen including the proximity they have to each other..well it is a small world after all now isn't it?...

and yes I know many people want BG to be the new Zodiac...mOO
 
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I’d bet locals who know more than we do are far more loyal to LE and the families, as opposed to thinking they have an obligation to satisfy public curiosity. Aside from that, I don’t believe anyone heard anything seriously suspicious because once it became widely known the girls were missing, surely they’d give information to LE such as hearing screams or gunshots, so then that first evening foul play would’ve been suspected.

is the river noisy?
 
‘After thinking about your post a few things come to mind.

In all the threads I only remember a single post back in 2019 by SeekingJann which mentioned a rumor about a gun shot which had absolutely no credibility. Anyhow SeekingJann posted,”Somehow, early in the case, it was believed there were gunshots heard which was false.

In a YouTube program with Grey Hughes;Kelsie answered a question from a viewer where she unequivocally confirmed noises in the Monon High Bridge vicinity were audible. Kelsie and Corry (her brother)were searching and yelling back and forth and there there was no problem hearing each other.I know I have a link but I will have to find it. If someone else has the link I would appreciate it if you would post it for me.

Sadly if BG carried tie wraps and duck tape like Israel Keyes that could account for no screams.But there is no evidence BG brought anything but the gun.

MOO
Who's Corry?
 
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