Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #147

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FrostedGlass said:
I'm 164 pages into the KAK interrogation and I remembered quite some pages back why I stopped reading it the first time. It's an exhausting read in every way. The emilyanne stuff was disgusting and why on earth was it important to LE what KAK would expect to get from a prostitute for $150.00. Good grief!

Somewhere, I totally missed knowing they were pointing the finger at KAK and daddy for the murders of Libby and Abby. Jumping back to 2020, then back to 2017 gets confusing... so that was clear back in Feb. 2017?

It's interesting that Tony was/is FB friends with some of Abbie's mom's friends and KK's current gf is FB friends with one of Liberty's ex-boyfriends. I never had a clue that Libby had boyfriends.

Before this is over, KAK will wish he had listened to his gut and lawyered up.
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FROSTEDGLASS Kiddo, you are a super trooper sleuth. Reading the 164 document was difficult. I just had to pass quickly over the bad stuff.
(I am the kind of person who cries when she sees commercials with puppies.) You are not confused. It was KAK trying to confuse the investigators and make up several
diversions. Thankfully, DetV kept pushing back to "the facts." "I didn't do that." (Then they proved he did.) "I wasn't there." (Then they proved he was.) "I didn't talk to her." (Then they proved he did.) "I don't talk to girls under 16" (Then proved he did..age thirteen.) And then the age of victims kept getting lower. His "frustrate-me-to-no-end" and non- responsive answers throughout the interview was enough to make me scream. DetV has more self control than me. He walked out of the room without saying, "It's been nice talking to ya' <modsnip> Bozo, you're gonna be a star!" (Oh well that is how it would end if I wrote the script, lol.)
KAK, why did you lie to investigators 3 years ago? KAK, why do you have a problem with telling investigators the truth now? KAK, if you had nothing to do with Abby and Libby's death, why not be truthful and take the suspicion away from you and your household, once and for all?
BTW: Feel free to provide any possible reasons for his failure to help LE at this point.
 
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@IQuestion Regarding KAK's failure to help LE: For one, he knows he's going to prison for a long time and the last thing he would want to be known for is being a snitch in addition to his other charges.

We know TK was making sexually explicit phone calls to a woman way back in 2009 (the Howard Co case). Do we think that's a one time only thing or does he have a "problem"? How far would his son go to cover for him? How many lies would he tell? What if he made the anthony_shots and emilyanne45 for his dad?

I'd like to know more about KAK's early life. Got links?
 
FrostedGlass said:
@IQuestion Regarding KAK's failure to help LE: For one, he knows he's going to prison for a long time and the last thing he would want to be known for is being a snitch in addition to his other charges.

We know TK was making sexually explicit phone calls to a woman way back in 2009 (the Howard Co case). Do we think that's a one time only thing or does he have a "problem"? How far would his son go to cover for him? How many lies would he tell? What if he made the anthony_shots and emilyanne45 for his dad?

I'd like to know more about KAK's early life. Got links?
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The MS had several guests on who supposedly knew TK and KAK: TK's step-son (KAK's half-brother), TK's step_daughter (KAK's half-sister), friends, and I think a woman who accused TK of stalking her when they were younger.

I certainly won't say that KAK isn't capable of stalking/violent/creepy behavior, but IMO, TK has proven himself as such over the course of decades. Someone local on this thread once said that after the murders, the Chrysler plant in Kokomo had been heavily searched several times. I don't remember who said that.
 
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TL4S said:
The MS had several guests on who supposedly knew TK and KAK: TK's step-son (KAK's half-brother), TK's step_daughter (KAK's half-sister), friends, and I think a woman who accused TK of stalking her when they were younger.

I certainly won't say that KAK isn't capable of stalking/violent/creepy behavior, but IMO, TK has proven himself as such over the course of decades. Someone local on the MT once said that after the murders, the Chrysler plant in Kokomo had been heavily searched several times. I don't remember who said that.
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Thanks, I'll go look those up and will probably have even more questions when I'm done. Looking at the KAK interview, I wonder why it took the court so long to file it. They filed charges on him Aug 19,2020 but the document wasn't filed until 3/3/2022.
 
FrostedGlass said:
Thanks, I'll go look those up and will probably have even more questions when I'm done. Looking at the KAK interview, I wonder why it took the court so long to file it. They filed charges on him Aug 19,2020 but the document wasn't filed until 3/3/2022.
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I don't know much about court filing procedure. Is it not normal for it to take that long?
 
TL4S said:
I don't know much about court filing procedure. Is it not normal for it to take that long?
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We rarely get to see docs other than what's available to the public. Most of those are filed within a few days or so, probably depending on how busy they are. Maybe this falls under discovery and I have no idea of how long they hold that back. It just seems odd to hold onto it that long without filing it.
 
I think about this case an awful lot. What did I miss? Why did he say this lie, that lie and finally I got ultimate clarity on something I could not reconcile for a long time. KAK was looking up OJ Simpson case in Las Vegas, literally days after the girls were killed, right? KAK was looking up the details of a double homicide, where the victims were stabbed to death (Nicole killed with knife at the neck), and Ron also received multiple stab wounds and it was an exceptionally bloody crime scene. Gottcha KAK!! ISP had not released a cause of death, revealed a sharp instrument was used, knife, neck wounds or that the scene was extremely bloody in February 2017. These are only details the killer, participant, confidant, or possessor of photos would know. So, why was KAK looking up that type of crime? Double homicide, knife wounds, Nicole's cause of death, the bloody scene etc. And we'll never forget the days and days of testimony about DNA on socks. How did you know KAK? Are you worried about DNA on some item of clothing, too?
PS: If y'all tell me this has already been discussed adnauseum, no problem as I tend to be incredibly slow at times. There have been too many coincidences IFYKWIM
 
IQuestion said:
I think about this case an awful lot. What did I miss? Why did he say this lie, that lie and finally I got ultimate clarity on something I could not reconcile for a long time. KAK was looking up OJ Simpson case in Las Vegas, literally days after the girls were killed, right? KAK was looking up the details of a double homicide, where the victims were stabbed to death (Nicole killed with knife at the neck), and Ron also received multiple stab wounds and it was an exceptionally bloody crime scene. Gottcha KAK!! ISP had not released a cause of death, revealed a sharp instrument was used, knife, neck wounds or that the scene was extremely bloody in February 2017. These are only details the killer, participant, confidant, or possessor of photos would know. So, why was KAK looking up that type of crime? Double homicide, knife wounds, Nicole's cause of death, the bloody scene etc. And we'll never forget the days and days of testimony about DNA on socks. How did you know KAK? Are you worried about DNA on some item of clothing, too?
PS: If y'all tell me this has already been discussed adnauseum, no problem as I tend to be incredibly slow at times. There have been too many coincidences IFYKWIM
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KAK would have been a baby during that trail, and I know from being fairly young myself during it, I really only remember the glove that didn't fit...

But what I really recall from that case was how everyone, then and now, pretty much assumed OJ killed NBS and RG, yet he still got acquitted in criminal court.

So my first thought when I read the part about the OJ search in the transcripts was a guilty man wanting to know how to get off in court. :oops:
 
TL4S said:
KAK would have been a baby during that trail, and I know from being fairly young myself during it, I really only remember the glove that didn't fit...

But what I really recall from that case was how everyone, then and now, pretty much assumed OJ killed NBS and RG, yet he still got acquitted in criminal court.

So my first thought when I read the part about the OJ search in the transcripts was a guilty man wanting to know how to get off in court. :oops:
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Tl4S, That's exactly what I thought, at first! But now I feel confident in saying that is not the case. The DetV interview was a mental chess game with KAK. DetV is a lot smarter than me, and I knew he wasn't asking any question for which he didn't already have an answer. (Probably the only thing that surprised him was KAK's GrndPa at the house with TK while KAK was being polygraphed the first time. Remember, KAK volunteered that specific info.) KAK got off on the bloody crime scene photos. Per the transcript, he was looking at some other bloody crime scenes in Vegas, too. (Sadly, he knew how to find all of them...and has for years. A moth to the flame?)
Now all ISPCarter's words make total sense. paraphrasing:
You never thought we would change directions. check
We have already interviewed you, or someone close to you. check
You want to know what we know. check
Hiding in plain sight. check
New younger sketch. check
Changed appearance. check
Left town right after the murders. check
***He was a lot thinner in 2017
 
IQuestion said:
I think about this case an awful lot. What did I miss? Why did he say this lie, that lie and finally I got ultimate clarity on something I could not reconcile for a long time. KAK was looking up OJ Simpson case in Las Vegas, literally days after the girls were killed, right? KAK was looking up the details of a double homicide, where the victims were stabbed to death (Nicole killed with knife at the neck), and Ron also received multiple stab wounds and it was an exceptionally bloody crime scene. Gottcha KAK!! ISP had not released a cause of death, revealed a sharp instrument was used, knife, neck wounds or that the scene was extremely bloody in February 2017. These are only details the killer, participant, confidant, or possessor of photos would know. So, why was KAK looking up that type of crime? Double homicide, knife wounds, Nicole's cause of death, the bloody scene etc. And we'll never forget the days and days of testimony about DNA on socks. How did you know KAK? Are you worried about DNA on some item of clothing, too?
PS: If y'all tell me this has already been discussed adnauseum, no problem as I tend to be incredibly slow at times. There have been too many coincidences IFYKWIM
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Yeah, but why would he look that up AFTER the crime? Wouldn't that be something he'd research beforehand?
 
carbuff said:
Yeah, but why would he look that up AFTER the crime? Wouldn't that be something he'd research beforehand?
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Carbuff....he was stimulated by the photos, IMO. Heck KAK erased history from his phone, so how do we know he wasn't looking that kind of stuff up right before the murders, too? Of course, looking up murders is not suspicious, but he did right after the murders of Abby and Libby and no cause of death, means, weapons, or bloody crime scene info had been released by LE.
For example. A couple is killed and police have not released the cause of death. The last person who spoke to the couple leaves town and immediately begins searching: double homicides by manual strangulation, how long does DNA last and can my ISP address be tracked? And, two years later LE releases crime scene information: the victims were manually strangled. I don't know how anyone else reacts to that info, but it sends up a lot of red flags for me. And apparently for DetV, too.
Maybe someone can explain it better.
 
IQuestion said:
Carbuff....he was stimulated by the photos, IMO. Heck KAK erased history from his phone, so how do we know he wasn't looking that kind of stuff up right before the murders, too? Of course, looking up murders is not suspicious, but he did right after the murders of Abby and Libby and no cause of death, means, weapons, or bloody crime scene info had been released by LE.
For example. A couple is killed and police have not released the cause of death. The last person who spoke to the couple leaves town and immediately begins searching: double homicides by manual strangulation, how long does DNA last and can my ISP address be tracked? And, two years later LE releases crime scene information: the victims were manually strangled. I don't know how anyone else reacts to that info, but it sends up a lot of red flags for me. And apparently for DetV, too.
Maybe someone can explain it better.
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In the context of other things that were searched from his device in Vegas, though, he seemed to me to be worried. OJ was mixed in with how long DNA lasts and are IP addresses traceable, etc., all right after reading articles about the murder investigation, so I guess imo it sounds more like someone concerned about getting caught than looking up bloody scenes. I could have missed other clues there, though.

What jumped out at me was when the detective read a search list from an older device and the Sandy Hook bodies thing was drolled out as nonchalantly as all the csam stuff, just thrown in, and KAK was triggered, asking why that was there. It was an odd moment and KAK's surprise almost felt genuine. That was pre-Vegas, and maybe showed an escalation in taste for violence, whether by KAK or whomever used his old device. Jmo.
 
IQuestion said:
I think about this case an awful lot. What did I miss? Why did he say this lie, that lie and finally I got ultimate clarity on something I could not reconcile for a long time. KAK was looking up OJ Simpson case in Las Vegas, literally days after the girls were killed, right? KAK was looking up the details of a double homicide, where the victims were stabbed to death (Nicole killed with knife at the neck), and Ron also received multiple stab wounds and it was an exceptionally bloody crime scene. Gottcha KAK!! ISP had not released a cause of death, revealed a sharp instrument was used, knife, neck wounds or that the scene was extremely bloody in February 2017. These are only details the killer, participant, confidant, or possessor of photos would know. So, why was KAK looking up that type of crime? Double homicide, knife wounds, Nicole's cause of death, the bloody scene etc. And we'll never forget the days and days of testimony about DNA on socks. How did you know KAK? Are you worried about DNA on some item of clothing, too?
PS: If y'all tell me this has already been discussed adnauseum, no problem as I tend to be incredibly slow at times. There have been too many coincidences IFYKWIM
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Very interesting points. I hadn’t even considered the similarities in the two crimes and you are right, the public at that time knew nothing!
 
KAK claims to have given LE a DNA sample, he also gave them a hair follicle sample. So we're back to either they don't have a good sample or KAK isn't the one. If he's not a match, what is the probability that his father would be? Maybe they have TK's DNA, too.

We only have the last used dates for the devices, not any of the first used ones. I wonder if KAK gave his old phones to his dad whenever he got new ones. IMO, KAK seemed genuinely appalled at the emilyanne stuff.
 
FrostedGlass said:
KAK claims to have given LE a DNA sample, he also gave them a hair follicle sample. So we're back to either they don't have a good sample or KAK isn't the one. If he's not a match, what is the probability that his father would be? Maybe they have TK's DNA, too.

We only have the last used dates for the devices, not any of the first used ones. I wonder if KAK gave his old phones to his dad whenever he got new ones. IMO, KAK seemed genuinely appalled at the emilyanne stuff.
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From parent to child (transfering cell phone) seems to be more likely, IMO. Especially, if one had a job and income (TK) and one had not (KAK). IMO
 
FromGermany1 said:
From parent to child (transfering cell phone) seems to be more likely, IMO. Especially, if one had a job and income (TK) and one had not (KAK). IMO
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I know a lot of people, who are not tech savvy, who hold onto their old phones forever. It's often the kids that convince them they need to upgrade. I saw a FB post that made me wonder if TK preferred old phones. That doesn't mean that he didn't buy the new ones for KAK.
 
Wondering if KAK will lose weight in jail, it would be interesting to see how he would look..., imo.
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