Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #90

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  1. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    I think its likely many of the things that was stated by ISP Carter was the result of criminal profiling and the belief that the perp is a local.

    In perps mind he has fooled everyone and probably takes great satisfaction and power that he was able to fool everyone.

    I'm not reading too much into it pointing at LE, Media member, educator etc at this point. MOO

    I think much of what was stated was based on likelihood and not on any known facts about the perp. JMO
     
  2. midwestseeker

    midwestseeker Well-Known Member

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    Standard FBI operating procedure. This whole press conference was textbook FBI. Let's try to tick off the suspect and make him do something stupid. Let's "invite" the public and hope he shows up.

    I know that somewhere two years ago I mentioned this but I was involved in a search for evidence in a murder of a young girl in our area that happened in the early 90's. The young girl's body had already been found and basically no information was released. They called for the public to help. We showed up at the police station and were told by the FBI agent that we would be assigned to search certain areas and then brought back to the station where we should sign a sheet because the family wanted to send us thank you notes. When the time came for me to leave, I realized I had not signed any sheet. I asked the FBI agent if there was someplace I needed to sign. He glanced around to see if anyone was listening and then just gave me a look of resignation and said no. I knew right then that she had been raped and they were only interested in males signing the sheet. Two days later, my thoughts were confirmed. I wonder if they really think anyone falls for this "insert yourself in the investigation" theory any more. If I was the killer, I am home watching this press conference on television. Geez!
     
  3. Moxiegrl

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    I completely understand why they aren’t releasing it, but how the girls were killed told investigators a lot about the BG. Most likely they can tell whether it was pre-meditated, methodical, angry, rushed, his first time, did he show remorse, try to hide them,etc....JMO

    As for the PC, it was extremely emotional, and there were a lot of random things that probably won’t make sense until an arrest is made. I don’t think they would just decide out of nowhere to hold one, which makes me think they received some substantial information, and now they are trying to close it out.
     
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  4. HockeyMom330

    HockeyMom330 Well-Known Member

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    I am a teacher and I have noticed that I used the term 'guys' to refer to groups of males and/or females, epecially when I'm giving instructions...such as "guys, take out your notebooks" or "guys, slow down, you need to walk in the halls". BG very well could be a teacher (maybe not Abby's or Libby's), coach, parent, youth pastor, camp counsellor etc... that is accustomed to giving directions to youth in his everyday job.
     
  5. TeaTime

    TeaTime Well-Known Member

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    IIRC the first sketch was the result of a witness at the trail. The new sketch may be from a witness at the parking lot where the 'abandoned' vehicle was seen. I remember for some reason that there were 2 witnesses and they were trying to merge their descriptions into one sketch. In any event the faces look alike to me.

    The new video doesn't help much, but despite the uneven surface of the bridge, it seems to me that BG's right leg may be shorter than the left and that he is much thinner than the clothes would suggest - note the boney knee. The way he lifts his right knee so high to take a step tells me there is a length discrepancy stemming from the thigh. I know 2 people with leg length discrepancies and the gait is similar. It also could be that he sustained a serious leg injury/knee surgery that makes him lift his leg from the hip rather than the quad muscles. Whatever the reason, he has/had a problem with his right leg.

    The new audio adds nothing for me. "Guys" is used to address 2 or more people of either sex everywhere, so it tells me nothing.

    "You want to know what we know" suggests to me that someone is trying to make inquiries to LE under false pretenses.

    There is no doubt in my mind that BG has discussed these murders with someone, so much so that their hinkey meter is up.

    I have no idea as to why "The Shack" was mentioned. I have no idea why LE would comfort BG by telling him that the girls are not the same as he left them. Perhaps BG has been telling others this.

    I have no idea why LE would ask the families to not speak to media for 2 weeks. Why only 2 weeks, why not "don't talk to the media until we tell you it is okay"?

    LE would NOT want the family at the press conference because reporters would swarm them.

    It was always my thought that BG lived in Delphi at some point, and still has a connection to the area.

    "He may be in this room" or may not. Seems odd to say this and at the same time be trying to convince BG they are getting close to capturing him.

    However, ISP did act like he was trying to control himself as if the guy was in the room and they just couldn't grab him yet.
     
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  6. Colorado303

    Colorado303 Verified Insider Watts Case

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    IF they know who it is, no doubt that person is being watched 24 x 7 w/the hope they’ll do something to implicate themselves. Behind their own closed doors people they live with may not be safe, but this person’s snatching people in public days are over.
     
  7. MistyWaters

    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    This is sad to hear. I feel great empathy for anybody who’s totally innocent but has the misfortune of becoming a SM target for any unsolved crime. It must be devastating particularly as they have no way of defending themselves.
     
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    Let me throw this out there and see what y’all think of this. A friend of mine came up with this last night when we were discussing the latest developments in the case.
    A big question has always been how did BG leave the scene without someone noticing him perhaps covered in blood as he leaves. Thoughts were he parked in the cemetery and avoided people. With this new info of a vehicle at the old CPS building that complicates matters. To get back to that location he sure would be exposed and out in the open.
    It was discussed on WS last night and before that BG was over dressed and perhaps disguised. My friend wondered if BG removed his outer layer of clothes after killing the girls and threw them in the creek, then walked away, with clean and different clothes unworried that people would recognize him. Then I recalled, I think, that LE reported or a reporter said they found clothes in the creek. The assumption was, at least for me at the time but others too I think, that the clothes found were the girls’. Maybe they weren’t.
    My friend also thought the killer maybe held up in that shack a little upstream to dry off(The Shack reference at Press conference) then circled back to his car.
    Just her thoughts. Was wondering y’all think.
     
  9. ab01

    ab01 "What is done in the dark always comes to light"

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    I don't believe LE has the vehicle, I believe it was more of a statement directed at BG or aquaintances that they know he was parked there that day and they are closing in on him...moo
     
  10. CSIDreamer

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    You know something I thought about as far as The Shack reference. It could be they think the perp thinks with satisfaction about "how he left them". Now LE comes in and says, "let me interrupt your daydream". Just a thought.
     
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  11. Yellow Rose

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    Could they possibly have been trying to align a sign in name up with a suspect they had in mind? They asked every person entering the room to sign in.
     
  12. TTF14

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    Definitely good thoughts. Especially about the clothes!
     
  13. MistyWaters

    MistyWaters Well-Known Member

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    Very interesting!
     
  14. TL4S

    TL4S Unverified Clown

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    Which might be part of the reason LE put off releasing the second sketch for so long.
     
  15. Michellep2

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    I am from Indiana, about 30 miles south of Delphi and we use the term "guys" all the time - for male or female. I think it's a Midwestern thing.
     
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    Unless it bore unique marking such as local government tags, a number or sticker identifying it as a fleet car.
     
  17. LGW88

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    I found the information released yesterday disappointing to say the least. They presented a 2-year-old sketch that looks nothing like the previous sketch. Why they sat on that for 2 years we'll never know. Then, they released a couple more seconds of the same grainy video. Then, a couple more words on the audio. They talked about the importance of a vehicle, but didn't give a make/model/description - only where it was parked.

    This is all MOO, but I feel they are bluffing. I want to be wrong. I want them to find this guy and bring him to justice, but I don't get the feeling they are on to ANYthing. The demeanor of the police superintendent speaks volumes to me. He was just so uneasy and worked up. I feel like if they were on the verge of a conclusion to this search, his demeanor would be different: like calmer, because he knows they are bringing someone to justice. Here it just looks like he's got the frustration of day one on the case.

    Like I said, I want to be wrong, but that press conference didn't give me any confidence that they know who did this horrific crime.
     
  18. Yellow Rose

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    If this killer visits Delphi and visited yesterday....I think it might be a long while before the next visit
     
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    Just a little tidbit but the age of the person will also affect how many cousins come back with genetic genealogy. I am in my 30s and Ancestry gave me 250 or so 4th cousins or closer. My parents each have at least 400 fourth or closer cousins. And in that 250 or 400, most are 4th, maybe 5 are actual 3rd cousins. It can be hard to trace their connection to you when it's 4th cousins.

    It also depends on where your ancestors are from, DNA testing is more popular in some places, illegal in some places (I think Germany? so if you are of German ancestry, your 3rd cousins in Germany may not be DNA testing!).
     
  20. MistyWaters

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    I don’t think it’s possible to guess the profession of the killer either. The prepared comments by Carter wouldn’t been furthered by criminal profiling so it did remind me of the classic psychopathic personality who revels in the notion police are totally perplexed.
     
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