Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #91

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  1. TTF14

    TTF14 Well-Known Member

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    I think they are two different people. They discounted the first person they have a sketch of and now are realizing they were dead wrong.
     
  2. bessie

    bessie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Another similar local attack, or attempted attack, is certainly possible. Perhaps the hypothetical victim was shown a line-up, and picked out the "new" sketch (originally withheld because the one released more closely resembled the video). Something caused LE to release the alternate sketch, and in all likelihood that means new information from an individual who knows, or has encountered, a probable suspect. So, either someone has dropped a dime on his/her brother, neighbor, or mechanic. Or, the perp has exposed himself as a dangerous person to another individual.

    Regarding the former, I'm sure LE has weeded through dozens, maybe hundreds, of such tips. So, if they have a new one, they must have been able to substantiate some part of it, something that made it stand out from the rest.

    Personally, just IMVHO, I like the latter scenario because it satisfies three key points. The first is to convince LE the new information is valid.

    1. The person is a proven danger.

    The second two explain the changes to previously held notions.

    2. His description has been updated by a new witness, thus, the "new" sketch.
    3. It's now confirmed that he lives in the area, or visits with some regularity.

    Of course, two and three could apply to both scenarios. It's the first point that hits home, because if true, it substantiates nos. 2 and 3, and the investigation's "new direction".
     
  3. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    @TTF14 my encounter was not in a park, I was in a stretch of county owned land, heavily wooded, with a few bare spots, three tiers of trails.
    Not a place I’d go w/o my dog.
     
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  4. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    Oh thank you. Sorry I misunderstood.

    In the PC did they say they believe there are 2 guys involved.

    Or do they think the new sketch is the killer, and BG?

    Tia
     
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  5. Trudie

    Trudie Well-Known Member

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    If a similar attack occurred would LE not put out a BOLO, alerting the community?
     
  6. LGW88

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    Been going through the thread this morning and can't help but still believe that the PC was nothing more than a bluff tactic. It upsets me that for 2 years we've burned a sketch into our collective brain that now we're supposed to disregard and look for the guy in the new sketch (oh and it's a sketch they've had for 2 years). A couple more seconds of video and audio is all they gave us.

    Oh and don't forget, they are asking for the public's help in locating the driver of a vehicle (but won't even give the public a description of the vehicle). How are we supposed to do anything with this? You know, there is such a thing as withholding TOO much information, and this is it! Yes, I get it, there are disturbing things on the video/audio, but they're not giving us hardly ANYthing to go on.

    I don't believe the guy was "in this room now" and I don't believe they know who did this any more than they did on Day One. Sorry. MOO.
     
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    I would like to ask to think about someone employed on a second or third shift job as well or a student that was home on a long weekend break.
     
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    cody22 On Time Out

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    One guy, and Yes to your last question....moo
     
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  9. dotr

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    Wondering if they purposely show both types of hair so the suspect's race/ethnicity is ambiguous? speculation.
     
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    Perhaps, it was not the results they expected. Perhaps, they arrived expecting news of an arrest. What they got was more waiting and searching.
     
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    No, belief is it’s just one guy. The ‘17 sketch has become “secondary” to the newly released sketch. They did not say completely disregard the first sketch, just that it’s now secondary.
     
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  12. Mercedes

    Mercedes Verified Lawyer

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    And they may wear hairnets.
     
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  13. TTF14

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    I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. We had a gunman on the loose around here the other day after committing a murder and it was only by social media word of mouth that anyone knew about it, which was so weird. I still don't think he's been caught.
     
  14. holtzmann

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    In the presser, LE stated that BG is definitely the murderer.

    They also stated that the voice clip belongs to one (1) individual and they are currently looking for only one person.

    Lastly, they have only relegated the old sketch to a secondary influence — they have not completely discarded it.
     
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    Thank you to the person who posted the pic of the deteriorated tracks. The purposeful lifting and planting of the right leg may just be because of the structure and lack of integrity of the tracks.
     
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  16. Trudie

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    I’m skeptical too. If they felt he was in the room, I’m going with a media member from a local newspaper. Small town reporters run to surrounding towns conducting interviews.
     
  17. CSIDreamer

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    I have never seen any good coming from releasing more audio or video. Short of voyeurism possibly. :(

    Great post, thank you!
     
  18. MistyWaters

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    Or just that the memory of the person involved in creating the first sketch isn’t believed to have been as accurate as the second potential witness because the suspicious car in town parked has taken prominence. Police sketches can be a helpful tool but the reliability is questionable as unfortunately not many of us have a photographic memory.

    In a study completed last year, three university researchers showed nearly 400 college students 12 police sketches of suspects — some computerized, some hand-drawn — alongside a photograph of the suspect’s face. They were asked if the two images depicted the same person.

    “Overall, the students said 70 percent of the time that the sketches were not of the same person.”

    https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2009/questioning-the-effectiveness-of-police-sketches/

    Eyewitness identification error is one of the primary contributors to wrongful convictions. In fact, according to the Innocence Project, it was a contributing cause in approximately 70% of convictions overturned through DNA testing.“
    Causes of Wrongful Convictions - Innocence Canada
     
  19. oceanblueeyes

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    I think the long angular jaw and chin plus his hair really stands out.

    The first sketch looked like it could fit several men in general, but the last one I think stands out much more, and would be more specific to someone having this particular facial features.

    Imo
     
  20. CSIDreamer

    CSIDreamer Well-Known Member

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    One guy. They are very firm on one.
     
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