Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #91

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  1. Inthedetails

    Inthedetails Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if FBI profilers gave them info about how this type of killer reacts to angry authority figures??

    jmo
     
  2. carmenugt

    carmenugt Well-Known Member

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    YAAASSSS!!! Thanks for chiming in! I'm a critical care nurse of near 30 years. I noticed it immediately. I posted it then deleted it because I thought perhaps it is just me. Then I re-posted it because it was nagging me. I replayed that video a hundred times. If you worked with amputees, there is a nature and look to the gait. I wonder if we should call it in. Many people think because you are an amputee , you have a limited lifestyle and ability. Not so. No reason a R BKA could not be on a bridge.
    Edited" Thanks for sending the tip in.!!!!!!! I feel so much better having the opinion of someone with clinical experience in the issue of prosthetics. CSI!!!
     
  3. CSIDreamer

    CSIDreamer Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.
     
  4. holtzmann

    holtzmann Well-Known Member

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    I agree that the references to Abby and Libby as children and little girls were deliberate and suspect that BG is a father.

    I also agree that they are withholding information about the vehicle because they need that specific detail to be independently verified and not planted or influenced by any outside suggestion.
     
  5. RedBeard

    RedBeard Villains beware.

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    What that actually is i think is the water below, it was kind of distorting the voice so I tried to reduce the bass sound it was producing now its just high pitched so the bass in the voice still comes through. There is two versions released by police, they kinda did the same thing on one and I heavily increased the effect.
     
  6. Inthedetails

    Inthedetails Well-Known Member

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    I know! I expected an arrest soon after the press conference this week. I think they are close....but not quite there yet.

    jmo
     
  7. TTF14

    TTF14 Spaceship Headlight Pattern Expert

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    For the other 99% of us, what is a R BKA?
     
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    It seems their choice is between risking a false memory or no memory. So they've opted for the risk of no memory. Which makes me think the car is not all that fundamental to their case.
     
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    I totally agree. The words spoken at press conferences are always pre-scripted and carefully prepared in advance. The rest of us who are listening are oblivious to what buttons are intentionally being pushed beyond the obvious.

    Hopefully it hits home to the perp who must know LE is closing in, or to others who might be protecting him.
     
  10. TTF14

    TTF14 Spaceship Headlight Pattern Expert

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    100% agree he is a father. Probably of at least one little girl.
     
  11. Admirable Papaya

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    Should be easy to identify the perp wandering around if he has a lazy eye, prominent chin, amputed leg and voice box ;)

    I agree with the sentiment that the noises heard between 'guys' and 'down the hill' are most probably artefacts from trying to clean up/enhance the audio, plus any ambient noise.

    Hearing certain words in noise is a common auditory illusion, and can be considered a form of pareidolia; it's the same reason that people think they can hear hidden meanings in songs played backwards.
    Others being able to hear the same words - after you've told them what words you can hear - is due to the effect of auditory priming. I really recommend watching below for a striking example of the same phenomenon:
    It's also why audio such as 911 calls are sometimes sent to independent organisations to transcribe and compare, as priming can drastically change what exactly you will hear. The brain is a funny old thing.
     
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  12. carmenugt

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    Right Below The Knee Amputee
     
  13. TTF14

    TTF14 Spaceship Headlight Pattern Expert

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    I think it's to send a message to the killer that they know he parked there, and someone else knows he parked there. "We have a witness."
     
  14. GordianKnot

    GordianKnot Well-Known Member

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    BBM:

    Thanks, Matt!

    If/as you're able to check back in here, would be really interested to get your rationale r/t your belief that BG hasn't committed any major crime either before or after the murders...is it b/c he hasn't been identified through DNA matches in the system, no evidence of similar crimes being committed, etc., or are there other reasons you're thinking this crime was a one-off?

    Followup question: do you believe him to be capable of committing murders like these once and then completely stopping, i.e., never committing another major crime? Do you see him as someone who would kill themselves vs. risk being identified/caught?

    I don't think BG has the internal controls to stop himself from further violence now that he's killed twice.
    I think it's only a matter of time before BG acts out on his evil impulses again, but I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts about that.

    Final Question: is your sense that LE does or does not have the killer's DNA in this case?

    All of the Above: JMO.
     
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  15. TTF14

    TTF14 Spaceship Headlight Pattern Expert

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    LOL!!!

    rsbm, bbm
     
  16. GA_Peach

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    Agree with you. But if they get a tip about someone seeing a Mack truck there, you can bet that LEO will be meeting with that person in a hot second. I think that LE now has a good sense of what type of tip(s) contains the lynch pin. I really believe LE is that close.

    My feeling is that they have a new piece of physical evidence that they need to definitively tie to BG.

    Also, I want to comment on people's memories fading after 2 years. I cannot recall what I ate last week, but I can tell you everything that I did on September 11, 2001. That date was significant, and I will go to the grave with those memories burned in my brain. Similarly, the Justin Ross Harris case, which involved a dad leaving his son in a hot car, occurred just around the corner from where I used to work. That case drew me in from the beginning. I can still remember the heat from that day, etc. For the most part, ordinary days are forgettable, but when something significant happens, we have sharpened memories. I can guarantee that people in the area of the Monon High Bridge Trail on the day that two innocent girls were murdered in their quiet town remember what they experienced that day.
     
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    I'd like to ask Matt Johnson (welcome to WS) if he thinks there is or is not DNA?
     
  18. Miya

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    It's really not fair to make fun of the people (and I am one of them) that hear words that have been distorted after "guys". I have enough experience with audio to know that what you hear there has been distorted. It's not simply a phone in a pocket rubbing on the inside of that pocket. If you have ever used a program like Audacity and played around a bit with the filters, you know what distorted voices or sounds sound like. And several people heard the same thing without talking to each other about it. And yes, you definitely need headphones.

    The thing is, I said it could be pareidolia, but I am not the only one who hears it. And no, it's not the same as seeing monkeys dangling from trees and puppies in his pants that make him walk funny. Whatever that sound is has nothing to do with armchair sleuths trying to solve the case by seeing things that are not there. It is just about the shock of hearing something like that and trying to share this feeling with others. And yes, it is all just my opinion and of course not a fact.

    I usually don't have problems with listening to all kinds of recordings like 911 calls, etc. But I will never be able to listen to this recording again. I don't know if it is pareidolia or not but I can't unhear it and it is very disturbing to me. It's just a horrible case that has been unsolved for too long.
     
  19. Yellow Rose

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    My take on the vague description of the "vehicle" is that they know all about the vehicle but need collaborating information from the public to TIE IT DOWN for evidential purposes.
     
  20. Blueberry2720

    Blueberry2720 Today would be a fine day for an arrest.

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    I distinctly remember the use of the adjective "creepy" and the word "again". I recall an article/report that one of the girls can be heard on the audio say something to the effect of "There's that creepy guy again." If I am remembering this correctly, then 1.) I do not think the girls knew or recognized him, and 2.) they saw or encountered him earlier that day. I have a thought/theory that I will post in a few minutes that could explain this.
     
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