Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #36

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  1. KayElJay

    KayElJay Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    NEW RULE: IF YOU WANT TO POST ABOUT A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER YOU MUST GET PERMISSION FIRST. PLEASE SEND A PRIVATE MESSAGE TO ANY OF THE MODERATORS. BE PATIENT BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE TIME TO GET BACK WITH YOU



    Dear Websleuths Members,

    Please DO NOT bring in family members of the victim's and suggest they might have had something to do with the crime. As of right now, there is ZERO evidence to suggest this is the case.

    People, please think about what Abby and Liberty's loved ones are going through right now.

    They lost their two angels to murder and now they read on the Internet people are ripping their lives apart.

    Same thing with any random person you happen to bring up. These people do not deserve to have their lives spread out and accusations made against them based on a theory with nothing to back it up.

    I know it's frustrating when you go on other sites and they are talking about EVERYTHING but we just do not work that way on Websleuths.

    You are anonymous behind your computer screen. Doesn't hurt you if you post something that's not true about a grieving family member. You step away from your computer and all is well. Meanwhile, your words are like burning hot knives in people's hearts.

    Please take a moment to read our rules
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/misc.php?do=showrules

    If you have any questions please email websleuthscomments@gmail.com or send a private message.

    Ask yourself the following; Would you stand face to face with the person you are accusing, tell them your theory and tell them your real name?

    Even with our tight and well thought out rules Websleuths is able to do amazing sleuthing.

    Thank you for caring about Abby and Liberty.

    Tricia Griffith
    Owner/Websleuths.com

    PS. Thank you KayElJay for letting me post in your opening post.







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    Police ID bodies of Indiana girls

    Two bodies found along a northern Indiana stream are those of two teenage girls who went missing Mondayand their deaths are being investigated as homicides, authorities said on Wednesday.

    State Police Sgt. Kim Riley said autopsies performed Wednesday determined that the bodies are those of Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, both of Delphi.

    Their bodies were found Tuesday afternoon along Deer Creek near Delphi, about 60 miles northwest of Indianapolis. Police said the girls’ bodies were about three-quarters of a mile from an abandoned railroad bridge where they were dropped off Monday to go hiking.

    ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

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  3. tlcya

    tlcya Well-Known Member

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    Anyone with information about this case, no matter how insignificant, is encouraged to call the Delphi Homicide Investigation Tip Line at (844) 459-5786.

    Information can also be reported by calling the Indiana State Police at
    (800) 382-7537, or the Carroll County Sheriff’s Department at (765) 564-2413.

    Information can also be emailed to
    Abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.com

    video of press conference of 02/22/17: https://www.facebook.com/NewsCenter1...4728963476130/

    Audio loop http://www.in.gov/isp/files/Delphi_male_voice_loop.mp3

    SGT. KIM RILEY, INDIANA STATE POLICE (via telephone) with CNN re: three posts in the image on the bridge

    RILEY: We have looked at it. We`ve blown it up. As a matter of fact, that was done right after we got the picture -- we had access to the picture. And if you look at the far end of the tracks, it looks like there`s two people actually standing there. But if you blow the picture up, you`ll notice that there`s actually three poles there to keep cars from being -- trying to drive across the bridge. So that`s the marks that you see at the end of the tracks.

    Teen used cell phone to capture chilling audio of her killer: Police
     
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    ADMIN NOTE: Do NOT post photos of random individuals in a side by side fashion to compare with unidentified suspect. You may be sleuthing someone ten ways to Sunday but do NOT post about it here. Until there is a named suspect to sleuth it is against TOS.

    [ETA = in light of the recent search warrant executed at the property and residence of RL the decision has been made to allow limited sleuthing of RL. You may sleuth what is public record, including past criminal or legal history. You may discuss whether or not you feel his voice or appearance match the evidence shared by LE. You may NOT sleuth his family members, friends, acquaintances, etc. Please keep it on the rails.]

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  5. bessie

    bessie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    ADMIN NOTE: Because so many members were brand new, we, the owner and staff, have been very patient with you. We thought you deserved some time to learn the ropes. Well, you've had almost two weeks to figure out how we roll here. If you haven't bothered to read the Rules, especially Etiquette and Information, then shame on ya.

    Going forward, we will issue Time Outs of 24 hours or longer. No excuses, no questions asked. Consider this a fair warning.

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  6. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    Hi Everyone,

    In case you haven't seen the videos made by our member "grayhuze" here they are all in one place.

    I would highly recommend you watch these videos if you haven't already.

    You get the full sense of how it must have been for Abby and Libby in addition to helping you understand the crime scene.

    Video # 1 [video=youtube;_TFz4citG68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFz4citG68&index=2&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]

    Video # 2 - [video=youtube;AS24hYv_X8Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS24hYv_X8Q&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws&index=1[/video]

    Video # 3 [video=youtube;HH3twaMV9Fg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3twaMV9Fg&index=3&list=PLm8YOVMTz18HSfgvOn7eBtCVaCghbLHws[/video]


    Thank you grayhuze for taking the time to help Abby and Libby.

    Tricia Griffith
    Owner/Websleuths.com
     
  7. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    ATTENTION EVERYONE:

    With the latest search warrant being served at the home of property owner Ron Logan we have decided to open up Ron Logan to sleuthing with these rules:

    *Use his initials only (R.L.) or call him the land owner.

    *This does not mean you can sleuth his family or neighbors.

    *In the event you do discover something about someone else who happens to be connected to R.L. and you think
    it is related to the case you must check with us before you post it.

    * R.L HAS NOT BEEN NAMED A PERSON OF INTEREST. Please do not accuse him of the crime.

    If you have any questions alert on any post and send us your question. Or you can send a private message to one of the mods.

    To reiterate, You can now sleuth the land owner R.L. but ONLY R.L. No accusing R.L. or anyone of being the killer.

    Thank you,
    Tricia






     
  8. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    RL, as of right now, is in jail.

    No need to bring this up until we have official notice that he has been released.


    Here is the mainstream media source saying RL is still in jail.


    Please THANK THIS POST so I know everyone understands.

    Thanks,
    Tricia
     
  9. bessie

    bessie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Please continue the discussion here.

    :tyou:
     
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    Someone asked yesterday in a thread that soon became locked or closed, so I apologize for not knowing who.

    Yes, you can create alerts on Google but I believe you have to have an account. You'd create them using keywords or names & I always choose the immediate option rather than a digest.

    https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/4815696?hl=en
     
  12. carbuff

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    Here's one. I guess it would be more accurate to say that her father has acted and talked as though he believes that. You can check Lizzie and Lyric's thread for more if you're interested.

    Drew is on a crusade to help police crack down on convicted sex offenders considered missing after they fail to register with authorities. He has made posters bearing missing sex offenders' faces to hang in Iowa police stations and raises money to use as rewards for people who provide information about their whereabouts.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/07/missing-iowa-girls-year-later/2497109/
     
  13. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae The enemy is here. beware

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    Post may have lost in the last thread.

    Would like to see a side by side image of Abby & suspect on the bridge. TIA
     
  14. Yellow Rose

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    libby.jpg

    Don't ya'll see that guy by the tree? He's scaling tropical fish and the baggie is on the ground by his shoes. LOL I need a break, think I'll have a cup of coffee before my ride home.

    Seriously though, I have not been sleeping well for thinking about this case night and day!
     
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    thanks!
     
  16. BunnyHop

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    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Delphi-13-Feb-2017-35&p=13248557#post13248557

    RL IS NOT BG

    RL is a "Six Footer" yep. Thanks for posting The Other Christina.

    After all the non-sense we overlooked, you got it!!

    I really appreciate this so much.

    BG IS NOT 6' BG is shorter.

    :loveyou:
     
  17. Falling Down

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    Response to a post in Thread #35:

    Googlecache reveals this from the 16th. RL returns home, and early in the evening "gave permission" for searchers to look over his property. At that point, it was merely a search, the searchers being volunteers, firefighters, etc. LE did not believe foul play was involved , and the search was called off shortly after RL was asked for permission.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...lphi-girls-murders/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

    Logan said he was in Lafayette Monday afternoon when the girls were last seen near the Monon High Bridge Trail.

    He said he first gave permission for his property to be searched Monday night. He said he drove into town Tuesday and, when he came back, he learned the girls’ bodies were discovered about 50 feet from Deer Creek.


    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...4-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-15&p=13188491&styleid=21

    RL speaks with WISH:


    Ron Logan, who owns the 40-acre property, said he’s lived there for 53 years.

    “Totally, totally, unreal,” he said.

    Logan said he was in Lafayette Monday afternoon when the girls were last seen near the Monon High Bridge Trail.

    He said he first gave permission for his property to be searched Monday night. He said he drove into town Tuesday and, when he came back, he learned the girls’ bodies were discovered about 50 feet from Deer Creek.

    “It’s been violated. Your home being your sanctuary, I don’t feel that way about it anymore,” Logan said. “It’s very concerning.”
     
  18. Han

    Han Well-Known Member

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    Just to be clear, this is a comment by a parent in an older case in Iowa, Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins
     
  19. Justice101

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    following...
     
  20. BunnyHop

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    Always a new thread when we get hot.

    I have my own suspicions. BG is long gone. He's fled.
    How they let him flee is beyond me.
     
  21. Falling Down

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    Agreed. Most likely he's long gone. This investigation is twisting in the wind.
     
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