Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #43

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  1. CKN

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    I keep seeing the bottom of a hoodie. Web Sight, can any additional enhancements be done without further distortion? Great work BTW!
     


  2. Billy Mabou

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    IMO, what you're seeing is the camera's rolling shutter (see my post above). This is very common in cameras. A moving object can separate across frames because the camera isn't exposing the entire scene at once (the shutter is rolling as opposed to global).

    This is why it's common these days to see (in TV shows, low-budget movies, etc) camera flashes create blocks. The flash will fill only half the screen in one frame and the other half in another frame. Same effect is sometimes noticeable with Police car roof lights. They appear to be broken up.

    It can also make a ball appear oval instead of round and guitar strings appear to wave and warp (as additional examples).

    Nothing nefarious going on here, IMO.
     
  3. Jabarn

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    I know! I also 100% agree. I have a feeling this case is a convoluted mess and once investigators start putting the pieces together, IMO, and solve it, it might be there is more going on than just the lone man on the bridge Libby filmed. Time will tell though. I only hope it doesn't take years.
     
  4. WebSight

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    To me there is appears to be an issue with the right side of his upper torso (the right arm). It is disproportionate to the left side. I can't justify just reducing it without having a line to work with which would prove to me that it was wrongly lined up in the first place. I have only worked with his face so far, which, to me, was obviously misaligned.

    Also I have never done this kind of thing in my life so not always sure what I am looking at/for!! I am going to keep looking at the photo and working with it. If I find something I will post it here.
    :fence:
     
  5. her

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    We (general we) are not saying he is arrested for double homicide, however the other known SW's were greeted with an immediate statement this has nothing to do with the murders. They have not done this with RL.

    To me me that's odd. My issue with all of this is it just doesn't look like him on the bridge. RL's belly, hips and legs appear much bigger, imo.

    However, according to LE they have yet to clear him at this time, where others they have.
     
  6. Han

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    I think that isn't his arm on the right side. Looking closely at the jacket, I see a sort of a disguise.
     
  7. Billy Mabou

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    Yes, one always needs a reference! Otherwise, it's almost impossible to know what's right or wrong in this case. You've got a good eye for this IMO!

    The dark streak (the 'abby jacket') always looked like a cloning artifact to me, as if they were stamping or erasing something out and that streak was actually from a different portion of the frame (a part of BG's jacket or a tree or who know's what). But I don't know why they'd do that except to remove distraction. It's just a guess on my part, but it's what it looked like to me the first time I saw the picture.

     
  8. WebSight

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    No, I really do not know! Why wouldn't they make that adjustment? It puzzles me really.:confused:
     
  9. her

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    Yes same for me
     
  10. Jabarn

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    I think it might be he is wearing gloves. IMO
     
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  11. Jabarn

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    There is an S shaped blur out in the pic of BG (in front of him) as he steps away from the side of the the bridge. IMO.
     
  12. Bemused

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    Can you line it up so the tree branches or other reference points match? In your first attempt with the side of the face it looks like you did that with a branch on the right side of the photo.
     
  13. Tippy Lynn

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    If you're convicted of a felony you're required to turn in your permit and you can't get one if you're a convicted felon. If RL had a permit - it wasn't valid. MOO
     
  14. lilscarletdiva

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    Seriously thinking about the trucking industry on this one...main highways and truck stops very nearby where the young ladies were taken. This supports a crime of opportunity theory, but think the individual knew where they would be, either by social media, or eavesdropping in a public place. There is a packing company nearby, trucks coming and going. Driver maybe knew the area, had a couple hours down. Probably relatively close to his home state, but far enough from it to escape suspicion. My first time posting, but this case has been burning my mind.
     
  15. whiskers

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    LE waited Five weeks to back and search parts of his property. 5 weeks. That's a huge delay on LE's part given they were found on his land.

    I don't know how people have the energy to go 'round and 'round about RL so much each day. I guess for me it would be easier if we actually knew more.
     
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    Thanks for explaining that to me! And thanks for the link!

    I have never done any of this kind of thing before so I didn't really know what was causing it but it did seem in this case an easy fix. .
     
  17. Madhom

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    I've been watching my own 13 year old the last few days and how she handles her phone. I think it's very possible the video of BG was upside down. Thus the photo stills they made had to start out that way. I don't know if that matters. When she puts her phone in her jacket pocket, its top-in, facing her. If she then takes it from her pocket to begin carrying it, the natural grab is to pull it out, just dropping the hand. This puts it upside down in her hand, facing backward. I think this is how she'd try to surreptitiously video someone walking behind her if she was walking away from them.
     
  18. crimenerd

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    Very good photo reconstruction, WebSight.
    This is my first post, and I'm not sure if this is allowed, but right now he's looking a little like Nick Offerman from Parks & Recreation. And I only mean he resembles him, not that I think BG is him.

    My Opinion Only.
     
  19. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    It's probably not going to be silent on these threads, I think, when it comes to RL until he is cleared by LE. Especially when there is apparently new info about him like a protective order?

    Regardless, there is good reason why there's focus on him. As I have stated many times, I don't know if he's involved in any way but it's logical to look at him:

    1. Bodies were found on his property.
    2. His voice sounds like the audio to many people.
    3. He gave interviews some found slightly odd.
    4. His build and style match BG to many people. (There's a reason the reporter asked him to repeat the BG words).
    5. He is the ONLY person LE gave specific interviews about.
    6. A search warrant of his home and property was issued based on probable cause.
    7. As unrelated to murder as it may be, he has a criminal history and apparently DV protective order in his past.
    8. LE stated they were looking to clear RL or deem him a suspect. He has not been cleared.

    I don't post or read here much anymore because there's no new news. But until there is I can't count the guy out.

    It seems some are pretty upset by mention of RL on the threads. That's kind of interesting because usually sleuthers are intent on sleuthing as many people as allowable that have any proximity to the crime. Which is what LE does.

    I think that my be for two reasons. One, people can become super vested in their theories and kind of experience confirmation bias. IMO w all do that. And we can feel annoyed when others don't see things our way once we become certain about something.

    Two, before all this came out about RL, people saw his interviews and felt sorry for him. They saw him as a kindly, and befuddled grandfather type who experienced something terrible on his property. It's super difficult to move from that to considering that he may have a connection.

    IMO there's a defensiveness on the threads that is related to the above. I think that's illustrated by the fact that people like me who are not accusing RL and are not saying we think he is guilty, but just that he should be considered until he is cleared, are referred to as believing RL committed the crime.

    But all I'm seeing pretty much is: "RL is not the BG." "RL doesn't sound like the BG." "RL hasn't been cleared." "RL doesn't look like BG." "It is logical to look at RL." etc. Same, circular arguments. I guess it will remain that way until something else happens. Hopefully it will. No one wants it to turn out like Lyric and Elizabeth's case.
     
  20. GhostGhost

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    RL was involved with the Murder investigation and since his story didn't add up, he's drawn away resources, and LE says he won't cooperate with the investigation of two dead young girls.

    It's just not true to say he has nothing to do with the Investigation and tracking of the Perpetrator.

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