Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #48

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Imo, either RL is BG, or knows nothing about the crimes. And I don't believe he is the blurry, unrecognizable image we have been shown, if only because that mustache of his would have shown up somehow. I still believe there was a single perp.

Also, the sheriff escorting him to court does not seem weird to me, especially if they know or believe he is NOT guilty in relation to the murders, as it would be a nightmare were RL to be shot and/or killed by some deranged person.
so if they thought he was guilty that wouldn't have been there? Why no bullet proof vest for him? That is the best way to protect someone from a deranged person with a gun. There would also likely be back entrance that could have been used.
 

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I keep wondering if since he walks his property night and day sometimes if he saw it happen or saw the girls deceased before they were found, got worried about his own issues went home to collect his things and took it to the dump( or whatever it's called) and didn't tell anyone about it. Thus his alibi unstable as well as the possibility his footprints at the scene making it harder​ on LE
Just speculating IMO

However, he went to the dump the morning of the 13th. When the girls were still alive and before they were even dropped off for their day of pictures and walking the trail/bridge.
 

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Just a thought. If RL was BG wouldn't the officers who knew RL have recognized him?

After all, they have more video and audio, if I understood correctly. And, they obviously know him; he's lived there 53 years and they have arrested him multiple times in the last few years.

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ETA: Instead of an arrest for murder, we get 6000 billboards across the entire country.

Were there really that many billboards? That can't be. That would be cost prohibitive.
 

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Were there really that many billboards? That can't be. That would be cost prohibitive.
6000 is right. However, we have had more than a few members report that they have been taken down in their areas. I don't know how many of the 6000 remain. They had been in 46 states.
 

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Were there really that many billboards? That can't be. That would be cost prohibitive.

For some reason, I felt the parent company that owns the digital billboards donated the space. I could be wrong, but it's a feeling I've had. Or deeply discounted.
 

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Were there really that many billboards? That can't be. That would be cost prohibitive.

That's what has been reported. They were electronic billboards, though. They didn't have to construct 6000 new billboards. They just used existing electronic billboards in 46 states.
 

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I honestly believe that the SW was served because they discovered he lied to them and a lie on the day of the murders, along with the bodies being found on his property, provided probable cause. The rest is details.

And my guess is that the reason he's not ruled out is simply because if it's correct that they really don't know who did this (I think that's the case), they're not officially ruling anyone out.

As for the demeanor of LE in the video up thread, he struck me as pained by the fact that they have not solved this and BG is still loose somewhere. I didn't see much more in his expression than battle fatigue and perhaps some low morale, which I'm sure they all feel, at least at times. I think the crime scene was disturbing not merely because they found children from their community, but because of the nature of the crime.

I go back to what LE said in the early stages - "who's next?" (I think that's how it was worded). That says a lot and points away from RL. I really don't think his type of lie, though they had to pursue a search, equals a connection to the type if crime scene they encountered. So, the demeanor we see in LE is perhaps also their pattern of not really saying anything of substance in public.

I had a son in naval special warfare and they don't talk about anything because once you say this, it leads to a question about that, and if you answer even vaguely, that leads to a question about this, and before it's done, you've provided tidbits that may not give up anything vital, but they feed speculation and rumor and interpretation of what people want to find in your answer. So you get emails that say, "Goin' on a trip", then nothing for three months, then an email that says "Back from my trip", and you know it's time to send cookies again. As they say in the Navy, "those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking."

I think LE is coming from exactly that place in this case. I don't believe that their snippets and on camera language tell us much of anything. JMO
 

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Does anyone think it was odd that only a woman friend of RL seemed to be present at his sentencing yesterday? If he has children or other relatives or friends it seems they should have been there too to support him knowing he might be going to Prison.
 

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Does anyone think it was odd that only a woman friend of RL seemed to be present at his sentencing yesterday? If he has children or other relatives or friends it seems they should have been there too to support him knowing he might be going to Prison.

Maybe that was the most attention-grabbing quote or maybe if there were family present they declined to be interviewed.

I don't hold RL responsible for the utterances of the neighbor because he had no control what she said. I do find what she said to be pretty revealing about RL probably needing a beer. She said beer rather than drink so maybe that's his drink of preference. IMO
 

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Older article (re: SW's and Subpoenas)
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/15/indiana-teens-killer-may-have-met-police-prosecutors-say.html
“If you’re looking for evidence that relates directly to proof of a crime and it’s in a realm of privacy, in a person’s home, in a person’s phone, in a person’s computer, on their person, some other situations, then you have to get a search warrant for that type of information, and we’ve gotten some search warrants but often those search warrants didn’t directly relate to the investigation of the killing of the two girls. They’re related to other matters in the course of this investigation. When so many people are being checked on, other things get found.”

That was true in the arrest of a local man known to investigators last weekend who is being held without bond on a probation violation for an alcohol-related offense.
 

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Delphi, Indiana: Indiana Landmarks to repair Delphi's Monon High Bridge


http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...landmarks-to-repair-delphis-monon-high-bridge

“While the High Bridge has been a popular destination for generations, including the period when it carried trains, it has never been considered a safe structure for pedestrians. This project will temporarily close off access in order to make it a much safer place for people of all ages to enjoy,” said Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby.
 

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Somewhere in these many threads there is a statement from LE that indicates there is more video. It said those who looked at it would see it when they closed their eyes to go to sleep, for the rest of their lives. moo

If someone has the link I'd appreciate it. TIA

Jax49, I had saved the links for this video, but they no longer work. it was from wlfi.com. here are the links I had, but none of them work any longer. what is it with wlfi that they apparently delete videos? (It was at the 1.35 mark)

http://wlfi.com/2017/02/22/delphi-t...ore-her-death-police-hope-it-leads-to-arrest/

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=639559649578173&id=453703668163773

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Link only in cache/ Wayback machine available:

“Imagine what that must be like, it’s generally and very likely will be one of the last things these ladies and gentleman see for the rest of their lives before they go to sleep,” said Carter.

[ To view the link go to http://cachedview.com/ enter the link and choose archive.org Cache ]

www.wlfi.com/2017/02/22/delphi-teen-records-suspect-before-her-death-police-hope-it-leads-to-arrest/


Just to reiterate what's being said in that * key * article:

BBM

Quotes:

'German had the presence of mind to hit record on her phone and because of that, police were not only able to release still frames of the suspect but an audio clip too.'

'The recording was longer than what has been released. Police won’t release anymore to protect the integrity of the investigation, but they’ve seen the video and likely won’t be able to stop thinking about it.'

End of quotes


I think it's "safe" to assume, the girls -or at least one of them- were (was) attacked right after that frame showing the POI/BG walking on the bridge, since Libby recorded it and LE was able to watch it on the video. It would not make much sense IMO and I doubt Libby would have had the opportunity to video record much later, unless she was able to conceal her phone and continue recording the audio only.


GRAPHIC/WARNING

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We recall the PC, where it was stated the pictures/ video frames showing the POI/BG were taken at a moment right before criminal activity was about to occur and Libby was a hero having the presence of mind to record it. Is it possible, that the killer eliminated or incapacitated one victim right away, possibly gravely injured her? If it was Abby first, did he make Libby carrying her over all the way through the creek over to the other side and Libby (did she possibly record it further via audio unbeknownst to the killer?) ? That way he would not have to touch one victim and poor Abby would have never dropped Libby to run away IMO. How terrifying.

All IMO

-Nin
 

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Jax49, I had saved the links for this video, but they no longer work. it was from wlfi.com. here are the links I had, but none of them work any longer. what is it with wlfi that they apparently delete videos? (It was at the 1.35 mark)

http://wlfi.com/2017/02/22/delphi-t...ore-her-death-police-hope-it-leads-to-arrest/

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=639559649578173&id=453703668163773

[FONT=.SF UI Display][FONT=.SFUIDisplay]http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.wlfi.com/2017/02/22/delp...fore-her-death-police-hope-it-leads-to-arrest[/FONT][/FONT]


Go back to the cache view site and search again. I just posted it a few comments up. -Nin
 

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For some reason, I felt the parent company that owns the digital billboards donated the space. I could be wrong, but it's a feeling I've had. Or deeply discounted.

It is a combination of donated space and time, contracts (wholesale, +) and partnerships.

-Nin
 

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Not if the 2nd person(s) were not on the bridge. One of my theories about the voice is that while Libby was filming BG on the bridge 80 ft away, the voice came from near or behind her, from someone closer to the phone. (It happens all the time we I am taking a video of my son playing baseball.) I think BG's role as we see him on the bridge was rounding them up, blocking their escape and that later he participated in murdering them. They only needed one person to go out on the bridge and force them off.
I agree. Libby started recording and from the time she had decided to do that up until at least the time where the still frames that show BG that we have seen there is nothing that shows a weapon or anything that should have kept those girls where they were. The proximity to the houses on the south side - there is one that is 450 feet away and half that, at best, is woods and the rest is clear/lawn - and that they didn't make a run for it considering the distance BG was from them, not to mention almost all of that distance still on the bridge which is in my opinion not easy to run on.

Something kept them where they were. They weren't chased. The voice on the audio isn't out of breath from running. I strongly believe that what set Libby to take action by starting to record began behind or near the girls. And that means to me that there was at least one other individual involved in this crime.
 

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Respectfully snipped by me for pinpointing.

This! I think it was a couple of threads ago that we were discussing that possibility. We were discussing tazers. Ages ago I thought maybe BG knocked Abby off the bridge and then got Libby to help him carry her in whatever state she was in. Of course that theory about being pushed off didn't really hold water but I never let go of the idea of BG incapacitating one (Abby?) and the other helped carry. Instant easy compliance, easy transversing land and water. BG doean't have to worry about marching two girls along or carrying two. To me it makes total sense, especially if we are talking about crossing the creek.

I think the criminal activity commenced the second that BG took control of the girls, be it with a weapon threat, or whatever he did to compel them to move in the direction of his choice. That probably constituted kidnapping right there, but once he made contact, the crime was in process one way or another, hence the video being characterized as taken "right before".

I do not see a scenario where this perp would place the burden of carrying a gravely injured or deceased girl on the other girl, for no other reason than the able victim was a child who would have been utterly distraught and in shock and awe and physically compromised in managing the weight of a disabled victim. That's just too many time-intensive moving parts that risk commotion and potentially draw attention for a killer interested in getting to a place of seclusion to do what he came to do. If nothing else, the able girl would have likely screamed at the sight of such a sudden act of violence on her dear friend.

I do believe that it's very possible that one of the girls could have been forced to assist in securing the other (ties perhaps), but I think the idea was to march them swiftly to his preferred location and any coerced assistance would have occurred in that environment.

I think we also have to consider that they were kids and the intimidating verbal commands and threats of a creepy adult male may have been sufficient to compel the girls to just keep walking. JMO
 
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