Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #55

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  1. Shiressleuth

    Shiressleuth Former Member

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    Take a look at the wiki entry for the Westminster Bridge terrorist incident and see they have a certain number killed (6 including the perp) but they did not all die on the day of the incident. Some were put on life support. I'm just getting fed up at people telling me what killed means and what I should think it means, as if some people are more qualified than others to understand definitions. Killed means causing the death of someone by other than natural causes. Died means when life expires.
     


  2. Shiressleuth

    Shiressleuth Former Member

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    Thanks skibs. I've got it now and I'm deffo not turning it in.
     
  3. BIC

    BIC Well-Known Member

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    I think so too, and there is someone who is close that seems to resemble the pixels that have been released. IMO
     
  4. Shiressleuth

    Shiressleuth Former Member

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    Stanly, are you sure enuff to call it in as a tip because it sounds like you should?
     
  5. expatCanada

    expatCanada New Member

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    :lol:

     
  6. BIC

    BIC Well-Known Member

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    So let me see if I can manage to understand what you are trying to say here, because for the life of me I can't believe this is even a question.

    BBM: Going by the bolded text, what does death mean?

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  7. crhedBngr

    crhedBngr Attempting to Keep Calm and Carry On.

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    I think killed is a subset of died. Passing by natural causes (dying in one's sleep) also falls under the definition of died.
     
  8. lizard1131

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    I guess I kind of get it...if one of the girls was on life support on 2/14 would we say she was killed on 2/14? I think I would say killed 2/13, died 2/14. OR am I totally misunderstanding the semantics here? I'm still not sure if it makes a difference...

    edited---now that I re-read this it makes less sense LOL. I guess mortally wounded 2/13.
     
  9. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    ICAM. Especially on point #1. He is right under their noses, IMO.
     
  10. WebSight

    WebSight Active Member

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    [​IMG]

    Source for above quote:
    http://heavy.com/news/2017/02/liber...ssing-snapchat-facebook-photos-family-bridge/

    If we have discussed this before, please bear with me, because I am trying to reconcile something in my mind here.

    The above quote says that Liberty took this photo and posted it to her account. She did not send it or publish it. I have been researching snapchat and from my reading as I understand it, photos that were taken earlier (but within 24 hours) and stored to snapchat memories file, then sent later are labelled by how many hours ago they were taken, not the time they were taken. Only pictures sent right now have the actual time.

    Example: You attend a BBQ and you start taking photos but you don't want to stop and send them right now so you store them in snapchat memories. At the end of the evening you take one last snap, you go and load up all the photos that you took throughout the day. If I am understanding correctly, the only snap that will be time stamped with the actual time is the one you take and send right now. If you send all the photos to create a story, snapchat time stamps the photos with how many minutes or hours ago the photo was taken, to keep it "real" or honest so to speak.

    If I am understanding this correctly, that means that the photo was stored in Libby's snapchat memories file on her phone. Because I didn't understand that time stamp I thought that meant that someone received that picture 7 hrs ago and that the elapsed time changed as it was viewed over time.

    So, someone "sent" that photo around 9 p.m. It seems logical that LE accessed Libby's snapchat account and "sent" the photos, although I don't know how that would work. But if LE was able to retrieve those photos from the memories folder through Libby's account, what was the need to "send" them? Wouldn't they just load the photos to a computer and print? So, who sent the photos 7 hrs later after they were taken?

    Is there someone who is familiar with snapchat that could clarify this for me? Thx!
     

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    BIC Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. It would read: Two girls were killed in a senseless act, one died on 2/13 the other on 2/14.

    ETA: It would NEVER say, two girls were killed on 2/13 in a senseless act. one died on 2/13 the other on 2/14.
     
  12. TheOtherChristina

    TheOtherChristina truth & empathy

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    For anyone who might be bogged down in the concept of killed vs died vs fatally injured, think of it this way:

    Person A and person B are attacked on X date. Person A dies the same day. Person B does not die until Z date. XYZ are sequential days.

    On Y date, person A is dead and person B is alive. You can say that person A was killed yesterday, but you definitely cannot say that person B was killed yesterday, because they are still alive as of date Y.

    Once person B has died on date Z, you still wouldn't say they were killed two days ago. I think there is a logic flaw occussing at this point. Person B was NOT killed on date Z, but it's also incorrect to say they were killed on date X. Person B was killed but not on either of those days. They were fatally injured on date X and succumbed to their injuries on date Z.

    I think I finally fully understand why legal documents say "on or about" when citing dates!
     
  13. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    :sigh:

    usually treated as singular The branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning. The two main areas are logical semantics, concerned with matters such as sense and reference and presupposition and implication, and lexical semantics, concerned with the analysis of word meanings and relations between them.
    Example sentences
    1.1 The meaning of a word, phrase, or text.
    &#8216;such quibbling over semantics may seem petty stuff&#8217;

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/semantics

    BBM for emphasis!
     
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    ImnoSherlock Occasional Poster

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  15. ab01

    ab01 Ooh Rah

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    Wow I have never heard of families having to wait several weeks to have their loved ones released to the funeral home following an autopsy. I have family that are funeral directors/county corners and i'll check with them. But I haven't personally heard of this being very common at all....
     
  16. Han

    Han Well-Known Member

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    Yours is an interesting point. However, if a legal document says someone was killed on Feb. 13, 2017, (and killed means to cause the death) the inference is the death occurred the same day. At least that's how I see it.
     
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    crhedBngr Attempting to Keep Calm and Carry On.

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    I'm not familiar with SnapChat, but your question piqued my curiosity. I double-checked my Samsung Galaxy s3 photos. These photos have both the complete date (20170311, which is March 11, 2017) and the time the photo was taken in military time (1322 would be 1:22 p.m.).

    I'm thinking SnapChat would reference the photo date and time in a similar fashion.
     
  18. her

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    There is nothing wrong with your theory, it's yours and that's good enough. I may not believe it till I see facts that indicate it but, nobody should feel piled on for their beliefs.
     
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    I pray soon that today could be the day he is caught. Often wondered once he seen he was videoed and his voice was caught on audio if he killed himself? So many unanswered questions. When my brother was murdered in 2009 LE did not share everything they found. I found a lot of my questions answered 4 months later at the trial of the *** who killed him. Especially when the Pathologist who did his autopsy and showed the horrendous pictures that he was stabbed 63 times. When my family and I were under the impression it was only twice. I understand LE cannot let all the cats outta the bag but I feel if they do have more audio share it. The family I'm sure doesn't know all the facts either. This whole case is beyond heartwrenching. Those poor girls and families deserve justice. They deserved it from day one. I will keep my faith in LE. I can't imagine what they have seen and how hard they are working on this case. Love reading everyone's great sleuthing. Some of you should be in law enforcement!
    Quick question.. I'm using Tapatalk from my cellphone. If you accidently touch a comment and it turns blue what does that mean? Then you retouch it and its back to white. I'm clueless. Haha.

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  20. Gisjoe

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    When Libby took the photo of Abby on the bridge she posted it to her story right after she took the photo. Here is an example of a snapchat that I added to my story this morning. The photo says posted 6 hours ago [​IMG]

    The second photo is a photo that I took yesterday and saved to my camera roll. I uploaded it to my snapchat story just now to show you this. It shows the time stamp of when I took the photo. So that people who are watching the story know it's not a photo from "now".
    So my guess is that the time stamp on her snapchat photo is a screenshot from her snap story. And the "7 hours ago" is from the time they took a screen shot of it from her story. If anyone else has any questions about snapchat feel free to tag me. I've been using snapchat for a long time now. Hope this helps! [​IMG]

    ETA: I'm not Nancy Grace!! That just and edited snap name that my friends see. Sorry for any confusion!!


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