Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #61

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  1. Evania

    Evania New Member

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    Whoa! Thank you for this...If he IS a SK, and if he's responsible for Lyric and Elizabeth, then I wondered if the dates held any significance and if there were others that happened on the 13th. Anyway, you're awesome for compiling this!


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  2. Thank you! :)

    https://www.google.de/maps/dir/Mapl...55397fd68ea!2m2!1d-92.281017!2d42.4691543!3e0

    I'm always interested to see a possible connection on a map. Phoenix AZ had a crime on 13th of month in 1986 and 1990 (I spared 1x Phoenix because of available space). Delphi is missing also because of available space.

    IF there isn't an error in my listing crimes got a pause:
    1982-85
    1987-88
    1991-95
    1998-00
    2002-09
    2011
    2013-2016 (IF incl. Delphi 2017)

    These are 7 states where a crime took place on 13th of month.

    IF one perp he would be around 55 yo by now, I think.
     
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  3. kat913

    kat913 Well-Known Member

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    I found some more....my eyes are swimming...I did not mean to look through the Missing Children database! I don't know how many faces I saw...so very sad for me to see.

    Anyway this is all the rest that has been reported to that missing child website....take it for what it's worth. I had hoped to put it in some kind of order...maybe tomorrow when my eyes stop seeing 13's!!

    I have them in order now, I believe......

    5/13/72 JUDY DAVIS (15)JACKSONVILLE FL
    2/13/73 LINDA ST. GERMAINE (12) PLATTSBURGH NY
    6/13/80 TIFFANY PAPISH (8) MAPLE HTS OH
    6/13/81 PHYLLIS BREWER (19) LOWELLVILLE OH
    11/13/84 TAMMY BELANGER (8) EXETER, NH
    8/13/85 CATHERINE MALCOLMSON (16) STOW MA
    4/13/86 PAMELA TINSLEY (19) OKLAHOMA CITY OK
    7/13/86 ROCHELLE IHM (20) PHOENIX AZ
    12/13/86 APRIL COOPER (7) TEMECULAH CA
    2/13/87 MARJORIE KNOX (13) CHAPARRAL NM
    10/13/89 SHERI HERR (18) WARREN IN
    9/13/90 LISA PRUET (16) SHAKER HTS OHIO
    10/13/90 MARIA MARTINEZ (17) PHOENIX AZ
    3/13/95 STEPHANIE BENTON (17) BULLHEAD CITY AZ
    1/13/96 AMBER HAGERMAN (9) ARLINGTON TX
    6/13/96 CRYSTAL DITTMEYER (12) OKLAHOMA CITY OK
    10/13/97 AMANDA GALLION (1 MONTH PAST 13) GILLETTE WY
    11/13/01 AMANDA LEE VANSCYOC (19) EVANSVILLE IN
    11/13/01 ABBY BLAGG (6) GRAND JUNCTION CO
    9/13/07 ASHLEY DODGES (17) BISHOP CA
    9/13/10 SAMANTHA CLARKE(19) ORANGE VA
    4/13/13 EMILY PAUL (14) SOUTHPORT FL
    7/13/14 EDITH CUELLAR (15) CANYON COUNTRY CA
    5/13/15 NATALIE CLARK (16) LOUISVILLE KY
    12/13/15 ASHLEY WOODS (16) JACKSON MS
    3/13/16 HALEY STRAATMAN (16) MILTON FL
    4/13/16 SARAH NECAISE (16) BAY ST LOUIS MS
    7/13/16 DEJA GLEASON (13) THORNTON CO
    9/13/16 ALEXIS MILLS (16) COLUMBUS OH
    1/13/17 HAILEE DILEONARDO (15) KLAMATH FALLS OREGON
     
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  4. kat913

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    I don't know if 13 is relevant but I have a suspicion Amber Hagerman (on 13th) may be a connection and the 13th for Iowa and Indiana were just a taunt for police. For having an Amber Alert started after your crime makes you pretty notorious!

    My opinion only, of course!
     
  5. Verrry sad but also fascinating re the 13th. OMG. The many billboards seem to make sense even more.
     
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  6. WebSight

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    FWIW, Google Earth updated its imagery for Delphi, IN on April 12th, 2017.

    Before we were having to use the last winter imagery, from 2012, which was great to have but landscape changes over time. Having the new imagery might be useful to compare changes in the terrain in the five years since the last winter images were taken. The newer imagery gives a truer representation of the landscape (worn paths, etc.) as it existed and was used by BG in February.

    Also FWIW, I noticed right away that a well worn path heading down to the creek straight from RL's property doesn't appear so worn now. Even if you take into account that spring is approaching and the area is naturally greening, a well worn path on the ground doesn't bounce back that quickly from dead dirt to grass if it was still being consistently walked on up to February. Imo, of course.
    To me it might suggest that RL didn't traverse that hillside as much anymore (perhaps too difficult now because of age or health?). :thinking:

    2012 imagery:
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    2017 imagery:
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  7. Shiressleuth

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    Peace, I think you're last sentence maybe correct IMO.
     
  8. Shiressleuth

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    You forgot the most important-
    He had a cast iron alibi that broke his probation.
     
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  9. Shiressleuth

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    Leaving the pic up could jeopardize the investigation. One little detail only the killer would have known.
     
  10. Shiressleuth

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    What makes you come to that conclusion? The perp would then have two bodies to move and get across the creek.
     
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    I do too. Perhaps it was in the video of the searchers going across the creek?
     
  12. margarita25

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    (O/T, there's been arrest in the case of 12 year old Naomi Jones out of Pensacola; her killer had already done 15 years in prison for raping 2 adult women and was free. Another example for reference (I had mentioned ARS earlier) of a predator with diverse victim age ranges.)
     
  13. Shiressleuth

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    Spirit, we are allowed to discuss it with respect for others opinions. <modsnip> I got the point and thanks for reminding us all because it certainly does not help having a closed thread.
     
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  14. Shiressleuth

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    That's interesting. However, RL had been in jail for more than a month when this pic was taken so any path could well have grown over in 5 weeks or so or at least greened up quite a bit do you think?
    Good find though Webby.
     
  15. WebSight

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    Right, that is why I made the distinction of "dead dirt." A path that is so well worn that it can be distinguished by a satellite imagery, imo, must be very trodden down and compacted. Again, imo, there are no root systems left for any ground greening. That would have to regenerate over a much longer period of time.

     
  16. Shiressleuth

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    That's amazing research Kat. How many more not on the 13th I wonder too?
     
  17. Shiressleuth

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    Could be in prison the missing years?
     
  18. Shiressleuth

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    Just putting Kat and Germany's posts together for reference purposes
    13 July 2012 was the Iowa case.
     
  19. Henry2326

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    Wow....Kat, awesome data. I was astounded. I wonder if they had physical similarities to the girls? Also, why take the boards down a month later if a relationship between this data and the case? Again, more questions than answers.

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  20. Attention please: My little layman statistics doesn't fit with this complete listing done by Kat (only with her previous listing).
     
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