Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #64

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  1. deedee21

    deedee21 Well-Known Member

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    Why hasn't 48 hrs, 20/20, or Dateline picked up on this story? Maybe a neighbor, co-worker, or family member will recogonize the killer. Perhaps hes a regular at a gas station or restaurant. National coverage is needed.
     
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  2. gregjrichards

    gregjrichards Well-Known Member

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  3. BoltzmanBrain

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    I think you are absolutely right. <modsnip>

    Also, as a previous poster mentioned
    This talk of wrinkled jeans, starched jeans, dry cleaned jeans doesn't make sense. This fellow is not a tidy guy. Lots of men wear jeans multiple (very many) times before washing them because they don't show dirt and they don't hold wrinkles. A pair coming out of the dryer might be, but by the time you wear them a few times the cotton is so loose that the wrinkles have fallen out and the material is resistant to acquiring new wrinkles.

    I give all due respect to all the posters that spent a good amount of time on the jeans. But my feeling is that this fellow picked his clothes up off the floor beside his bed and wore the same outfit a number of days. Shamefully I do this myself.

    Also, while the sketch does look like lots of people, I agree that the large nose and the wide set eyes are unique, telling features that should garner much of the focus.

    As always these are my opinions and are by no means better than anyone else's.


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  4. Cyber sleuth

    Cyber sleuth Well-Known Member

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    And sometimes class reunions have Facebook pages with pictures from reunion etc. I'm in complete agreement of the years leaning more towards 85-90.
    I also think Lafayette and Kokomo should be included (really any town with 30/50 miles).
    I've gone done some of the rabbit holes and have the circles under my eyes as reward.
     
  5. Blsdjs

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    Tensions are high in a case like this. Emotions are high in a case like this. If LE were to come out and say they need help in locating "John Bridge", can you imagine the lynch mob? Much less if someone were to just simply find "John Bridge" themselves and take matters into their own hands. There are very good reasons why LE cannot come out and give names of suspects.

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  6. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this post 100%.
     
  7. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    However, this is true as well. I do still lean towards a random boogeyman in the woods unknown to the girls, scouting and hunting, moo.
     
  8. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    I would like to add to this specifically domestic abuse.
     
  9. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    This makes me wonder...in similar cases (as much as we can infer, children in an isolated location), has a perp's first murder, one of escalation from assault, ever been 2 victims? Hope this makes sense...let me rephrase...has a murderer ever chosen 2 child victims in a first time murder?
     
  10. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    (O/T, I came across someone recently who struck me as a creepy based on some things he said...(this nothing to do with BG btw), but then I saw him later all family man hiking with his teenage daughter, who looked quite happy...I said to myself my hinky meter must be off, but then I remembered how often we see cases here where the male perp has kids of his own...I don't know what the point of this post is except to say I guess nothing is off the table, including kids of his own...even girls...would some of veterans agree with this, that often an abductor has girls of his own?)
     
  11. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    We need to keep helpin to spread the word, imo...those of us on social media, etc...I think it could be helpful to continue to contact all media sources such as the ones listed above (crime shows), as well as local and national msm sources...
     
  12. Bird of Paradise

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    Jumping off your post Sherlock, but not directed at you.

    From the article regarding KS

    "The affidavit says investigators established that
    Kevin Sellers was the sole beneficiary of David Sellers&#8217; estate."
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    -------that is your motive

    That tip referred to Sellers &#8220;having killed his uncle some years before and had gotten away with it.&#8221;

    Nothing in either of those quotes points to this person being BG. Sometimes this thread gets stuck in overdrive looking for someone to blame. Everytime someone is arrested, reasons are found to suspect that person or feel he looks just like BG (ex. Mark Redwine).

    C'mon people! We're better sleuthers.

    MOO always and there is only one BOP who posts only on WS.



     
  13. margarita25

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    (O/T, So wierd, last night I had a dream there was pair of binoculars sitting on my coffee table...)....anyway, I agree with this, the possibility of binoculars...I can't remember if we posted this or not, but I would guess they are something like this, (specifically because I think he is likely a deer hunter, moo):

    http://www.advancedhunter.com/best-binoculars-for-hunting/

    Eta: while I still think that's a gun under his jacket (body holster) or pocket, maybe it's binoculars..
     
  14. Bird of Paradise

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    Snipped for focus & BBM

    Agree.
    This was not a park! They weren't in a populated "park" like area. Look at the videos. I'd like to know just how many people cross that bridge a day. The bridge is NOT a part of the trail. It is private property leading to more private property. There is no reason for a killer to scope out the place and think, hey an isolated rickety bridge on private property that probably few cross would be a good place to find two teens.

    And that is why we are on thread #64. Because IMO repeat IMO people are forgetting the facts. The location. The timeline. The absolutely incredible maps that Skib and Nin and everyone else put together. Even Gray Hughes is now making videos to debunk all the crazy unsubstantiated information out there.

    MOO always and there is only one BOP who posts only on WS.
     
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    Jumping off your post (and the one you quoted from Falling Down) with the topic of possible binoculars...

    Am I recalling correctly there was a tree stand/deer hunting stand in the woods near the bridge that showed up in some of the pictures taken in February? I believe it had been taken down by someone at some point after the pictures. Or maybe it was seen and reported on by a WS member who traveled to Delphi.

    If there was was such a stand and BG used binoculars, it would have given him an excellent vantage point.

    JMO.
     
  16. margarita25

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    Bouncing off the discussion about random vs nonrandom...I think some might be thinking the term random refers to "just happened to be in the area and struck..."that is not applicable to my use of the word random as related to this case....I refer to random pertaining to his "victim selection" specifically, but do not think he was randomly in that area. In other words, I think he planned, hunted, preyed, stalked, and is familiar with the area but chose Abby and Libby because they were there, not because he knew them beforehand. So, a random predator, as opposed to nonrandom predator.
     
  17. ImnoSherlock

    ImnoSherlock Occasional Poster

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    I get it,no probs.My post was more about media coverage than anything.
     
  18. skibaboo

    skibaboo Mrs Map

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    Agreed!
     
  19. Steleheart

    Steleheart Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I agree with this. I also think that this part of "not random" was how LE was referring to what BG was doing there that day. He came prepared, was familiar with the trails and Libby and Abby were the unknown and unfortunate victims.
    I have no doubt that LE knows he was calculating and prepared either because of implements or equipment used or by Cause, Mechanism and Manner of death all together.

    ETA: Cause, Mechanism, and Manner of Death - https://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-l...tigation/cause-mechanism-and-manner-of-death/


    JMO
     
  20. Bird of Paradise

    Bird of Paradise Well-Known Member

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    BBM and that is precisely what we don't know and what would give every sleuther that morsel which we could base a sound theory on.

    The only part of your quote I wiggle on is that Libby & Abby were unknown/unfortunate victims.
     
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