Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #83

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  1. 8771

    8771 Well-Known Member

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    Anyone familiar with the Kristene Chapa/Mollie Olgin case? Their story ran again recently on Dateline and it not only reminded me of Abby/Libby's story, but confuses me terribly that they had a composite sketch from the victim that looked exactly like a POI and even had his DNA near the scene AND similarities in MO in the crime. My point is that their POI was cleared because of a discrepancy in height as told by the victim. WS link here

    I was so excited for A&L 's case when I heard they had video/audio of the suspected assailant. I thought for sure that Libby was a hero in her own death and this monster would be found easily and brought to justice quickly ... after hearing the Chapa/Olgin case again and the seemingly small amount of actual evidence LE has, I'm growing so disheartened. Seriously hoping that LE has so much more than we know and are playing the "we have no clue" card for specific reasons :/
     
  2. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    Has LE even said for certain that BG is Caucasian?
     
  3. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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  4. kizzykat

    kizzykat Well-Known Member

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    That was me. Here is the GBI's list of unsolved homicides:
    https://gbi.georgia.gov/cases/unsolved-homicide

    I looked back through that list above for two criteria: female and a minor. I went back maybe 10 yrs. and found one.
    This is the direct link to Hannah Truelove, she was 16 at the time of her murder, went missing 8/23/12 and was found the next day.
    https://gbi.georgia.gov/case/unsolved-homicide-1681
    She has a thread here at WS. Quite a few of the articles linked are now 404 File Not Found, but going from info quoted in early posts, there were indications she died a "violent death", may have had a stalker, was found near a trail in the woods on the shore of Lake Lanier behind her apartment complex in Gainesville (north portion of Georgia). Like Libby & Abby, LE did not reveal COD and told the man who found Hannah not to relay any info about what he saw to anyone. I haven't finished reading her entire WS thread yet:
    https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Hannah-Truelove-16-Gainesville-24-August-2012

    ETA: this video from 11/2015 gives more info & shows the woods where Hannah was found. It sounds like LE located and ruled out her stalker.
    https://crimewatchdaily.com/2015/11/09/unsolved-georgia-teen-murdered-after-posting-chilling-tweets/
     
  5. Satchie

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    Yeah, it's hard to take.

    IMO it reflects BG's deliberate planning for how to commit this crime without being caught.

    The audio/video/images are great, but perhaps not unique enough, unlike a tattoo, etc.

    I'd be interested if anyone has found a resource about how these kinds of lone murderers/serial killers have been caught. Just from anecdotes, it often seems like a luck.
     
  6. heartgoesout

    heartgoesout Well-Known Member

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    I often wonder why BG didn't do a better job at hiding the girls : (
    It makes me think the following are possibilities and would be curious on others take.

    1. He ran off quickly in shock at what he had just done.
    2. He ran/hid because he heard the searchers that evening.
    3. He felt he could come back at a later time and hide them better. He knew the territory.
    4. He ran/hid but didn't come back because he did not know the area and could not find the CS again.
    5. He wanted them to be found.
     
  7. JnRyan

    JnRyan Well-Known Member

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    I keep coming back to that point. And 30K in tips. Multitudes of investigators. Billboards all over the country. And we are here with no arrest. I'm thinking there will have to be an arrest and then a DNA match.
     
  8. kidetect22

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    It could be possible he ran off fast due to Libby’s phone ringing crazy because they were late for pickup time ...but now after cleaning my house all day and dealing with 3 children I’m starting to draw a blank if her phone was going straight to voicemail... ? Someone feel free to set me butt straight lol
     
  9. kidetect22

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    This is interesting ... going to look into this .. I’ve always thought BG had struck before but it had been awhile ago.
     
  10. SkipperKey3

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    I'm actually going to amend this. I originally thought #2 local, but now I think it was somebody who was at most semi-local or even non-local, but who happened to know Monan Bridge and the area around it and stopped by from time to time.
    Also I think I underestimated the age. I'll up that to late 40s to 50s.
     
  11. fruity

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    Bridge Guy:
    1. SK or no?
    * Not a SK yet but will become one if not caught. I believe e has raped and murdere at least one victim previous to Libby and Abigail.

    2. Local (25 mi radius), semi local (50-75 mi) or non local?
    * Semi local, but frequently travels away for extended periods. Probably grew up in Delphi.

    3. what age range do you believe he is?
    *40s

    4. Homeless or not?
    * Not

    5. Planned attack or spontaneous?
    * Planned but had been looking for the opportunity for a while. Grabbed the opportunity when it presented itself, but only planned on having one victim that day.

    6. Lone wolf or accomplice?
    * Lone wolf
     
  12. Jabarn

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    This was a completely different victimology, but is a very troubling unsolved crime from Georgia.

    https://www.ajc.com/news/cold-case-...uple-remains-unsolved/M3BDpm3beZZ39qnHwdjLFP/

    I also wonder if the GBI’s experience with the Meredith Emerson case might be why they were brought into the Delphi case. The case is solved, but it has some similarities.

    IMO.
     
  13. DeDee

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    Right on, Bird of Paradise! There were 26,000 tips by August of last year that LEO had to filter through. That includes after the sketch was released in mid-July. One official opined that it is possible that LEOs have already spoken to BG. Hence, they began combing through the tips again. Now, they are giving the GA FBI a chance to find something they may have missed. This case is complicated, complex and has a twist.

    Common sense tells us that when officials do have the killer(s) within their grasp, they will be so relieved, so jubilant that we will likely see the largest attended press conference in American criminal history. LEO is not going to keep it a secret when BG is arrested. All of us will join them in the bittersweet dance.

    Until that moment arrives, when I close my eyes at night, it is Abby's and Libby's face that I see.

    I am not privy to any more information than the next person. I don't know what happened after 2:30 but, I feel compelled to show this chart for I thought surely IN had the most RSOs on the planet. That is not true. Have sexual offenses against our youth become an epidemic? We, as a society, must find a way to stop the madness.

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  14. gregjrichards

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    Good grief that's a frightening graphic there are so many monsters out there.
     
  15. K.jill

    K.jill Well-Known Member

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    I thought of Meredith Hope Emerson, too. That one will always haunt me, every time I consider a lone hiking adventure I think of her.
    I can not think of any other similar crimes in GA.
    I wish Foxfire were here. Would love to hear his thoughts on this.
     
  16. ocgrad

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    Maybe they are asking GBI to look over the case to see if they have missed a piece of evidence that would allow them to convict without any further tips. Maybe the answer they need is there or maybe not but they want to make sure they haven't overlooked a way to definitively tie him to it.
     
  17. Maplesyrup

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    He may strike only when under extreme stress...major life changes. For example a divorce/divorces, failed relationship, fired from a job or something along those lines.
     
  18. kidetect22

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    Yep- I would guess that’s the issue w BG and when he strikes.
     
  19. carbuff

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    6. He didn't care either way because he knew he'd be long gone

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  20. Brubon

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    Maybe BG is a newly diagnosed Parkinsonian..with a stooped over posture...with a very distinctive gait...and decided to take the despair that accompanies that diagnosis out on the girls. I wish every neurologist in the country could see his image on the bridge and his facial sketch released July of 2017. MOO
     
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