Found Deceased IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #9

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  1. LaborDayRN

    LaborDayRN In a world where you can be anything, be kind

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    They were supposed to be picked up between 3:00 and 3:30 pm. They were reported missing 5:30 pm I believe.
     


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    #1nana New Member

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    do we know, is the DNA back yet?
     
  3. TTF14

    TTF14 Spaceship Headlight Pattern Expert

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    carbuff said something similar in the first thread (post 207) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Liberty-German-13-Delphi-13-Feb-2017-1/page14
     
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  5. Elainera

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    What if that baggie jeans, jacket, hoodie was just a disguise to blend in.
     
  6. Eastonwatson

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    One thing that I keep seeing over n over. The obit dates.

    Do some really actually believe they got together and decided you take this date we'll take this date??? Really??

    Most of you know drifters aren't usually upstanding citizens who just decide to start committing double homicides after the age of 40ish.

    Drifters usually have a decent little paper trail that follows them along by the age most are guessing.

    Their is a reason this guy isn't in the system and it's not because he hasn't committed similar crimes or expunged his own records lol. I'm gonna say because he's walked the line most of his life. He's not a drifter if you(catch my drift)



    I'm willing to bet even the fish swimming in ponds around town know the dates.

    If this isn't a typo then it give the rumors some truth about obit dates.

    All in moo of course
     
  7. fred&edna

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    I do hope LE gathered all possible evidence from the crime scene today... thunderstorms and high winds look pretty serious for Indiana (as well here in Kentucky) tomorrow. (It's always a bit exciting and scary when I start checking the TOR:CON index)
     
  8. klind55

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    This is what I think, surely they have DNA on the sex offenders that have been in the system.
     
  9. CrimeDawg123

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    It was 1/4 mile or so from the bridge, through the brush. Probably around 10 minutes +/-.
     
  10. ianthe

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    Sure thing. I can link to these raw photos on request as uploading it here degrades the quality.
    ETA: My conclusion = shadows

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    They have not released DNA information, other than to say, they had asked people whom they had interviewed to willingly submit it. In regards to how fast DNA can be processed, in the Karina Vetrano case, the suspect willingly gave DNA on a Saturday and I believe they had results and made the arrest on Tuesday. ( 2 to 3 days for fast track results)
     
  12. Ms Suzanne

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    Very good question.I am very interested in what the DNA has to say.
     
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    I meant do they have the DNA cross reference back?
     
  14. Bob Saccamano

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    According to news reports I've seen, they were found 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile upstream from the bridge. I'm guessing he was walking them as fast as he could get them to go, but it was rough terrain. I would imagine something along the lines of 4ish mph would be pretty fast considering the circumstances. (avg for a human over normal ground is 3.1), so a half mile would take about, I'm guessing a very minimum of 7:30 to 11:15 for a .75 miles. Again, the terrain is rough and he was having to force 2 girls in the direction he wanted to go. The first few hundred feet was up a slight hill and then there was a steep drainage ditch and more rough terrain.

    Even walking deliberately and directly where he wanted them to go, it could have taken a considerable amount of time.

    This is making the assumption that they were walked from the bridge to where they were found and that the news reports of .5 - .75 miles upstream were accurate.
     
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    Are you saying they are carrying concealed guns under their jeans????
     
  16. TGIRecovered

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    My personal theory is that this man probably spent some time in prison and hasn't been out for long. Cell phone technology has come along way in the past 8 to 10 years. Maybe that's why he wasn't at the top of the class SK101.

    I think he is probably killed before. Most first timers wouldn't go for two girls at once in a place where anybody could come walking along.

    It can take a long long time for DNA results to come back. In the city where I live we've waited up to nine months for murder case. his prints in DNA may be on file somewhere in the system but if the police don't have any prints and the DNA isn't back there's no way to track him with that.
     
  17. Jabarn

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    I wonder if the Bridge Guy could be someone like Rader, too. At first I thought - can't believe I thought this now- but I thought Bridge Guy might be mad his picture was taken and overreacted toward the girls. After hearing the voice, I hear someone in control. Rader went on hunts for potential victims but didn't always succeed. Bridge Guy may have done similar hunts. I look at the picture and after the presser look at it in a different light- I now see the mid section of his jacket hiding something, perhaps a "kit." I lean toward random encounter, meaning the girls did not know him at all. He very well may have been stalking them from when they were first dropped off for their hike. If so, this guy has serious issues and may have had some practice attempts in the past. A victim might recognize his picture and voice! Glad they are fast tracking the DNA tests.
     
  18. ianthe

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    I mean this with no disrespect, but <modsnip>These types of stereotypes are incredibly hurtful. I'd like you to understand that the most harm a "typical" schizophrenic will do is to themselves. You can believe what you wish to believe, but please be mindful that schizophrenics just... don't act that way. Real life =/= fictional depictions of mental illness. If this were a movie, your theory would have credence. Schizophrenics aren't scary people, I promise.
     
  19. thekarmabus

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    Thank you. That helped. Just a log


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  20. Paulette

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    So he did leave DNA on the girls. Yay! I'm assuming it's not a local or he'd be recognized by now. Always thought he was a drifter/bum and wanted to rob them. He's long gone.
     
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