IN IN - Floyd Co., BlkMale 843UMIN, 18-25, GSW, may be from Louisville, Dec'77

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  1. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Here is another Doe Case on which I did a reconstruction a month or so ago.

    I was thinking of Jerry Lee Armstrong until I found the article that said that CODIS flagged a possible match of JLA to skeletal remains found in Arkansas. But since I have the recon, I am putting it out there to see if anyone can figure it out.

    The Doe Network:
    Case File 843UMIN

    http://doenetwork.org/cases/843umin.html

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    WARNING: POSTMORTEM PHOTO AT LINK
    http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Postmortem Photos/843UMINPM.jpg



    Unidentified Black Male


    * The victim was discovered on December 25, 1977 in Floyd County, Indiana
    * Estimated Date of Death: December 24, 1977
    * Cause of Death: Gunshot wound to head

    Vital Statistics


    * Estimated age: 18-25 years old
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 6'0"; 155-175 lbs.
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Black hair; brown eyes. Large wound type scar on right arm, inside right elbow.
    * Dental Chart: Available; Right: - top teeth 4 and 6 missing. Left: - top teeth 4 and 6 missing. Right - bottom tooth 6 missing. Left - bottom tooth 6 missing.
    * Clothing: Blue, wool knit stocking cap, blue windbreaker jacket, name "ED" embroidered in red on right front pocket, size 40, black nylon button shirt, blue color sweatshirt size 42-44, blue-gray flannel pants size 32-37, All-Pro white tennis shoes size 12.
    * Fingerprints: Available
    * DNA: Not Available.

    Case History
    The victim was located in a drain culvert at S.R. 335 and U.S. 150 by two hunters, in Floyd County, Indiana on December 25, 1977.
    The victim had no identification on his person and has never been identified.

    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    Indiana State Police
    Criminal Investigation Division
    First Sergeant Sammy D. Sarkisian
    812-246-5424
    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number: 45-7832

    NCIC Number:
    U-276502855
     
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  3. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I spent a little more time working on this reconstruction.

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    This is one I would really like to see solved, but there are very few black male teens listed in the MP sites from that era.

    Jerry Lee Armstrong looks pretty tempting.
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    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/armstrong_jerry.html

    He went missing two days before this UID was found, and he bears a pretty good overall resemblance to the UID.

    But I still don't think it's him even though that news story about the CODIS hit to the Poinsett County Arkansas skull (DoeNet 661UMAR) turned out to be false. Their noses are quite dissimilar, and there is nothing in the circumstances of his disappearance that would take him from Mississippi to Southern Indiana.
     
  4. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    I agree -- not only is the nose issimilar, the overall shape of the face/skull is not the same -- the UID has a much longer narrower head, where Armstrong's is roundish.
     
  5. webrocket

    webrocket New Member

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    here is the Namus link for the UID.

    it is pitifully sparse. no reconstruction, no description of the scars or wounds on the body, no dental information entered, only entered one piece of clothing. not surprising there are no rule outs listed:

    https://identifyus.org/cases/4845
     
  6. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I spent a little more time revising my recon of this John Doe.

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    I also browsed around, and found some additional info on the John Doe's case
    http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070226/NEWS02/70226055&nclick_check=1

    The article is pay per view, but a full version is available on one of the other sleuthing sites. Here are some excerpts of some info regarding the circumstances of this man's death:


     
  7. webrocket

    webrocket New Member

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    there are not that many African American males period listed as missing from that time frame.

    I can add this observation however, the deceased has an awfully high hairline for someone that age. it almost appears to be male pattern balding which I would not expect to find in someone under the age of 30.
     
  8. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I spoke with Sgt. Sammy Sarkisian regarding the possibility of putting out another news release using my revised facial reconstruction image. He said that he would be glad to do that, and he said that he would talk to his Public Information Officer, and ask him to put out another news release targeted to the Louisville area, and including the reconstruction image.
     
  9. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    Did you ever hear anything more about the news release? I see the Doenet page has your recon.
     
  10. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    No, I didn't hear anything more.

    That is a very old version of the recon. I wish they would replace it with the current version. But they don't.
     
  11. Springrain

    Springrain Buckskin Girl was Marcia King

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  12. rats

    rats Where is Justice for the Jane and John Does?

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    There is absolutely nothing listed on John Doe's NamUs page. No identifiers at all -- not even a hair color. That's so sad.
     
  13. carbuff

    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    Sometimes those are "stub" entries meant to hold a place in the system, often because the records are a mess but they want to run DNA or dentals without waiting for the records to be cleaned up. Or sometimes the information is there but not available to the public for whatever reason.


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  14. rats

    rats Where is Justice for the Jane and John Does?

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    I know, but all of the stuff says "No DNA information is available" "No dental information is available" etc. I guess it makes sense that the records would be a mess, but I hope they find the time to add identifiers soon. This guy deserves justice :(
     

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