IN - Grandfather charged in cruise ship death of toddler Chloe Wiegand #6

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  1. justbreathe

    justbreathe Well-Known Member

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    I never even thought of another passenger videoing him! Could be.

    I think they are also giving MW enough to convince his clients to stop.
     
  2. justbreathe

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    Sadly, yes. That appears to be one of their points.
     
  3. Forever Young

    Forever Young Well-Known Member

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    IMO, it was easy to discern, after she fell, that the window was open. He claims he did not know it was open before she fell.
     
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    Technically, Winkleman isn’t suing anyone. The Wiegands are and he is representing them.

    So unless Winkleman finds himself a client who went over the balcony and wants to sue, he’ll just have to wait.

    Probably about a minute.
     
  5. Forever Young

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    After she fell, he knew it was not a solid wall of glass.
     
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  6. justbreathe

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    Yes that is what he claimed - he didn’t know it was open.

    Not that he didn’t even know it was window and thought it was a solid glass wall.
     
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    I mean how can anyone look at this photo and come away thinking it’s not possible for the doll to go outside the window if he extended his arms so they were not bent at a 90 degree angle?
     

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  8. justbreathe

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    But what he meant to say was that he didn’t know it was a “window” at all.
     
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  9. Forever Young

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    OK, so were they complying with applicable safety regulations? But I do disagree, because court opinion shows that a "foreseeable" danger, i. e. a possibility, is a "triable issue of fact for a jury to decide". A verdict can indeed be rendered on the basis of what was a possibility.

    This is why the re-enactment photos show other ways that any other child could have climbed upon the railing and went out the open window.
     
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    You bet and ...
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  11. FactFinder3000

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    Because toddlers don't just pass through glass? Needed that final clue, I guess.
     
  12. justbreathe

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    So he never thought “this is closed.”

    He thought “this is a solid wall.”

    According to...the lawyer of the parents of the child he killed?
     
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    And I know this has been said but - why would he make publicly available a photo that demonstrates the Chloe stand-in being held on the *window frame*???

    Remember when we all argued if he held her standing on the wooden rail or in the actual window?
     
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    IIRC, while he does seem aware toddlers can’t pass through glass, he suspects glass may be able to “just disappear.”
     
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    That claim is so hard for people to believe. :rolleyes:
     
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    Still does not prove that SA knew the window was open, even if he would have been able to reach outside the window. That does not show that he could see that the window was open.
     
  17. katydid23

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    Oh come on. lol So we are to believe that this guy had color blindness his entire life, to such a debilitating degree that he couldn't tell a 'clear ' open window from a tinted glass panel, and he wouldn't instantly know it was because of his visual disability? He'd need someone to tell him that? After 51 years of living with it?
     
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    Gosh! I feel like that is so unethical and illegal to purposely mislead the courts in this manner. JMO
     
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    But there is no 'hidden' opening. You can look at the wall of windows and instantly tell which are open and which are closed. There is no big mystery there at all.
     
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    I'm not sure that SA is the one who used the description "solid wall of glass". Those are Winkleman's words, and he is the Wiegands attorney, not SA's.
     
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