IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #33

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  1. elmorejames

    elmorejames New Member

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    He's on FB. Friends with ZO. Resided in LA. Interesting to hear a new name and the comment about the phone records.
     


  2. Ixchel13

    Ixchel13 Active Member

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    Holy Spirit
    On this day
    Open their hearts and minds
    To your wisdom
    Close their eyes and ears to worldly possessions
    Open their mouths with healing truth
    Agape
     
  3. PlainJaneDoe

    PlainJaneDoe Verified expert in neuroscience

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    3 years...

    :candle: for Lauren
     
  4. Kadence

    Kadence Verified insider - Colin Gillis case

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    3 years is a long time to be without a loved one and a long time to not know where they are and what happened to them. It's not right. So, I will ask again, because I believe you're reading - please, I beg of you, do the right thing and let the Spierers have their daughter back. Just tell them where she is, you knew how to disappear her under cover so surely you can figure out a way to make this happen. Please stop the pain.

    Lauren, you're never forgotten and will always be in our hearts. Until you come home...
     
  5. doubtingthomas

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    He is also friends on FB with HT, AR and AW. He list AW as his brother. AW is listed on CR's witness list. Sounds like maybe he was at the party at 5N or at T&C which is why they are requesting phone records. Just speculating.
     
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    Or perhaps a witness to the altercation at SW?

    Sent from my VS930 4G using Tapatalk
     
  7. Ros

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    AR, the female friend of LS? He is also friends with her friend SG.

    Do we know the name of the other male friend who received the early morning call? I would think that person would be on the witness lists.
     
  8. VeryVeritas

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    There is no proof whatsoever after the unconscious face down alley fall that Lauren WALKED again. It purely based on MB's and JR's inconsistent and contradictory statements. IF THEY did something with her and/or her body then in a criminal court you would need to prove that they DID do something. No evidence, no crime, these guys know that very well and their lawyers probably do to. In a civil case you have a slightly less burden of proof. How can MB be absolved from the case if he is central to it? That right there is a huge problem for the Plaintiffs.

    As far as I am concerned, the people at 5N are responsible because all known evidence points to 5N and stops at 5N. That is preponderance to me, the highly paid defense Lawyer for JR may convince a jury otherwise.

    And, if they disposed of her body to cover up anything at all, or even just out of sheer panic, to me they are at the very least also guilty of 3rd degree murder (aka manslaughter).

    Just because you can cover up your crimes, clean evidence, spin stories, hire the best lawyer, and have a paid PR team, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
     
  9. VeryVeritas

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    Those are a lot of details to fabricate if he had not even talked with his client yet? But MB doesn't get confronted with any of this, he gets released from the civil case?? Aren't the Spierer's lawyers or LE aware of these huge gaps in MB's statements?
     
  10. VeryVeritas

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    I agree with you that from the very beginning it was obvious that ZO nor his crew cared about Lauren during that altercation. It was about something else. ZO was never prosecuted for clearly assaulting and battering CR with CR not fighting back. Very curious. LE has never explained why ZO was not prosecuted. There has not been any public disclosure from CR or ZO(or his crew) about the true nature of the altercation. People speculated that it was about Lauren, but the video proves they did nothing but ignore her. LE went after this video rabidly. But that's about the only thing they went after with such ferocity it seems.
     
  11. VeryVeritas

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    For the record, I independently arrived at the same conclusion as the Spierer's as have other WS'rs. Some of us have been here from the beginning and others more recent. The smoking gun is at 5N. Many attempts to obfuscate that continue, there is no alternate theory with any evidence to support it. The problem is that there is not enough evidence to prove criminal wrongdoing. I had hoped that with FBI involvement there would be some traction. What we are seeing play out is a defect in our society that because a girl parties with guys she is fair game and can be dumped like trash. Hopefully someone with some conscience and piece of solid credible evidence will blow the lid off this case. It won't bring Lauren back. It is about the kind of world we create. I don't want a world where they can just do this and go on as if nothing happened.
     
  12. VeryVeritas

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    Holly, I have never seen a link that says Lauren's FAKE ID was found nor her SW KEYCARD. These 2 items were very curiously noted in one of JR's public statements that he had seen them before she "walked out". These particular items have been extremely troubling to me because everything else in her possession including the wallet she normally kept these things in was left behind. It makes no sense that these things would be in her hands after losing everything else - that does not fit! This means that someone else had them, took them, or they were on her person when she fell face down. Personally I do not see anything that shows she ever walked again.
    So JR noting these 2 items is highly suspicious to me.

    If you have some link that shows her FAKE ID was found, I would like to know.
     
  13. VeryVeritas

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    This is the first I'm hearing of a "Bruise". Previously linked statements from JR had him quoted as saying "Black Eye". Which is even more specific than bruise. Back maybe 1.5 to 2 years ago I had done some checking and found that there are 2 possibilities; 1) He saw her after she was dead OR 2) Her injuries were extremely serious - as in potentially fatal (this is the only way I found that a Black eye is Black in a short time interval while a person is alive)

    Either way, it puts him in a culpable position.
     
  14. VeryVeritas

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    An alternative scenario that places their client where they were not, doing something they weren't and seeing things that didn't happen is known as:

    A LIE

    Are you saying that Lawyers can ethically and legally put out false/fraudulent statements on behalf of their client's whereabouts and actions during a missing person / homicide investigation?

    Seems to me there is no point in Licensing lawyers if they can do things like that. Also they should not be admitted to the BAR.
     
  15. Ros

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    There has been speculation that her fake ID must have been found in order for it to have been used as evidence against Kilroy's. Are the records of that case open to the public?
     
  16. Ros

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    Unless there is clear evidence to the contrary, we should not presume that the lawyers are violating the Indiana Rules of Professional Conduct, including:

    "Rule 4.1. Truthfulness in Statements to Others
    In the course of representing a client a lawyer shall not knowingly:
    (a) make a false statement of material fact or law to a third person; or
    (b) fail to disclose a material fact to a third person when disclosure is necessary to avoid assisting a criminal or fraudulent act by a client, unless disclosure is prohibited by Rule 1.6."

    Note the word "knowingly." If their clients lied to them, the attorneys could pass on the incorrect information. Also note that it only covers "material facts," not insignificant, trivial or otherwise unimportant details.
     
  17. VeryVeritas

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    Meriam-Webster: ATTORNEY
    one who is legally appointed to transact business on another's behalf [Lawyer] "Attorney." Merriam-Webster.com. Merriam-Webster, n.d. Web. 4 June 2014. <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/attorney>.

    I'm not sure where in there it says that you can make FALSE and MISLEADING STATEMENTS on behalf of your client during a criminal investigation. Perhaps that's something you only learn in Law School? Or is it the gutter?
     
  18. Ros

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    She hasn't been found for three years. If, as many speculate, she was hidden by one or more of the residents of 5N, why hide her so well that she could not be found?

    Anyone know how much time would have to elapse before there would be no evidence of rape, roofies, other illegal drugs, etc. in her remains? I would be very surprised if anything that could convict someone would be left by that time. Why not send an anonymous tip and give her parents some peace?
     
  19. VeryVeritas

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    Well you see human behavior isn't always logical, but it is usually predictable. People are creatures of habit. You see one of the many problems with JR's crafted account of LS being at his place and leaving very shortly thereafter is the direction he says she left without any explanation for that supposed direction. Her habit (as previously discussed on WS's) was to walk through that Alley, not to round the corner at 11th & College.
    It's one of several things that point to JR's story being fabricated.

    There are witness accounts that place LS and CR at 10th and college shortly before the final Alley Cam. We went over the times in detail and the pace of their walking between locations. Clearly they were slowing down the further North they went. The pace was fairly swift between Kilroy's and SW, but markedly slower after leaving SW. To the best of my recollection this left somewhere between 3 and 7 minutes for them to be at 10th & College. While there is no known video capture of them there, this time frame is just barely adequate to account for knocking on ZC's door and the head slam on the concrete steps.
     
  20. VeryVeritas

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    I got out my whamo zammo legal protractor and checked the degree by which MB's original statements through his PAID HIRED LICENSED LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE regarding Lauren differs from known facts and JR's statements on her condition by not just 2 or 3 degrees, but more like 180 degrees. That is a very serious contradiction. What would the intent be of making such a statement if it were in fact, FALSE Because when you get 180 degrees from the truth....yeah! Just my most humble opinion, but if MB is innocent in every way, why would he need his Lawyer to make that (sort of like she was asking for it) stuff up?
     
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