Indy Anna
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I went to a church that's pretty much how you describe. It was very Bible-oriented (at first) and people's lives were centered around the church, even socially. That I see nothing wrong with since we as humans are naturally drawn to people who are most similar to us - people who share the same beliefs, values, interests, etc. But, I became cautious and eventually broke from that church when the church became centered on venerating the distinct leaders, who had begun to veer from Biblical teachings, and certain people who seemed to have a lot of influence with the preachers because of their generosity in the church with their money and possessions. When I became suspicious and did some research on the church, I learned of a lot of immorality (including rapes and child molestation) and corruption within the ministry and among the lay people. So, I do understand what you're saying.I have to pretty much sit on my hands with what I want to say. I have been doing a lot of reading and research. It seems like SM has stopped or slowed down over recent months and the website for the church is down. I haven't seen anyone other than the pastor say anything anywhere about the loss of the family. I would have thought that being so active in the church some others members may have commented.
As I was learning about the religion, I kind of got the impression that women don't hold much of a position and are rather quiet. It felt controlling to me. This may not be true in all cases though.
O/T and not related to any place or person in general:
I was also amazed at how people seem to worship the church leaders almost on the same level as they worship their God. If they ask questions or say anything that contradicts what their leaders say, they are quickly shot down and ganged up on by fellow members. I'm making this statement in general, not necessarily towards this church. It was just what I saw from looking at various church FB pages. I also noticed a lot of judgement towards others that don't share the same beliefs.
I understand that people are passionate about their religion and their individual place of worship. There is nothing wrong with that and spirituality is a important component in a lot of peoples lives.
There have been so many scandals though in the church and it appears that one of the biggest problems a long with cover up, is people are taught not to question their elders. Not all people that preach are necessarily in it for the right reasons.
Ok, I'm done reading about different religions now. I've had enough. I just needed to rant a little bit and get that off my chest.
However, those things do not go in all churches, and I hate to speculate about a church I know nothing about. Even the discussions on the end times I don't find alarming, since the Bible does address the end times and so most churches do discuss it to some extent, usually pointing out the signs mentioned in the Bible for the purpose of encouraging church members to be faithful but not for the purpose of predicting when the end will come (which the Bible clearly notes that no man knows).
Some interesting "coincidences" have been pointed out here about religious events and the timing of death for these 3 people. But, if this was a murder-suicide connected with religious doctrine, why did only members from one family die? Would not other members of the same church commit suicide at the same time?
There's another angle I'd like to consider. It also focuses on the family's religion, but from a different perspective. First, I wonder whose Bible was found near the creek where the family members drowned. Most people write their name inside their Bible, so it would be interesting to know whether the Bible belonged to the Clutters or to someone else. If it does belong to the Clutters, that certainly wouldn't rule out the murder-suicide scenario. But, my thought is ... what if the Clutters had started talking to one of their neighbors about the Bible and even invited the neighbor to a church service, and that neighbor was offended. There are people who are hostile toward religious people today, just because they deem them odd if they are seen leaving for church with Bible in hand - and they would especially be deemed odd if they were seen leaving for church every day of the week - and because they may act differently, speak differently, dress differently, etc. Were the strange and unexplainable things happening in the neighborhood, mentioned by the pastor, things that someone was doing to harass the Clutter family because they were perceived as different?
One aspect of a triple homicide I find doubtful is one person, even a big strong man, overpowering both a woman and a 10-year-old boy at the same time. A scenario I can imagine would be if the death of the boy occurred separately from the death of the mother and baby. Since people noted the boy liked to talk to people about his church and invited them to attend, I wonder if he approached a neighbor in such a way and the neighbor responded violently. Maybe the man took the boy to the creek, stripped him and then performed a "baptism" in mockery. After the boy was dead, he could've gone to the Clutters' apartment and told Jamie that her son had an accident in the park. When they got to the creek and Jamie tried to reach her son, the neighbor overpowered her - especially easy since she was carrying the baby. He first stripped and "baptized" the mother and lastly the baby.
Just MOO :moo: