Discussion in 'Up to the Minute' started by wfgodot, Feb 5, 2013.
Report: Ireland oversaw harsh Catholic laundries (AP)
much, much more at link above
I can't think of its name right now, but I recently saw a movie about these laundries and the poor women who were forced into shame and servitude. Yet another reason I am proud to be an EX- Catholic!! JMO.
Quite possibly The Magdalene Sisters (Wiki), from 2002.
I've often noticed the Irish seem to take their religion one step further than most. I wonder why.
If you're Irish, I don't mean to pick on you, no slight intended, just something I, personally, have noticed throughout the years.
This can be what happens when one religion, any religion, dominates state policy.
Daily Mail article, with various pictures, sidebar, etc. etc.
Ireland finally says sorry to the 10,000 'Magdalene Sister slaves'
of its Catholic workhouses who were locked up and brutalised by nuns
Trident, therre is a theory that the Irish Catholic church (and as a result, the Ameican Catholic Church, which has always been heavily populated by Irish immigrants and Irish priests) was heavily influenced by the heresy of Jansenism, which arose in France. Irish priests were, in earlier centuries, largely educated in France when, because of English oppression, they were unable to be educated in Ireland.
Anyway, the heresy of Jansenism is basically Calvinism in Catholic clothing. A heavy emphasis on god's justice rather than mercy; Heavy on the predestination; heavy on original sin and the inherent "wickedness" of man; heavy influence on not being able to do much to atone for sins. Jansenism was condemned and ruled a heresy by the church, but of course it's influence was already passed on. St Louis de Montfort, I think, a French saint, wrote against Jansenism and its influence at the time.
Anyway, so the theory goes that these Irish priests took their Jansenist-influenced theology home to Ireland with them, and the Irish church became much more rigorist as a result. Years down the line, when catholic immigrants were coming to America, they brought this with them, and along with the laity we had a huge influx of Irish priests as well.
Parts of the German church are said to have been influenced by Jansenism as well, and similarly brought this flavor of Catholicism to the US with them.
It's also said to be why you see a fairly big difference between Mass at say, a Hispanic, Portuguese, or French church, and one at an Irish church. Irish church masses here in the US tend to be short, no music, very bare bones. My dad always called it the working-man's mass, because you were in and out in 20 minutes, and no touchy feely stuff. .
Anyway, it's an interesting theory, you can google up Jansenism and jansenism in the Irish church for some more reading.
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