Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #14

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Man.

A quick look at where things stand​

If you're just joining us, the main thing to know is the seven-day truce between Israel and Hamas has come to an end. Here's what happened:
  • Just before 06:00 local time (04:00 GMT), the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) reported that sirens were sounding for communities near the Gaza Strip
  • A few minutes later, the military said it had intercepted a rocket fired from Gaza
  • Then, just before 07:00 local time, there was another alert about sirens sounding in kibbutz Holit, southern Israel
  • A few minutes after that, the Israeli military released a brief statement, saying:

It is now almost 08:00 in Israel and Gaza and we are receiving lots of reports about strikes hitting parts of Gaza, with the IDF saying jets "are currently striking Hamas targets".


Wow…
 
'Dec 1, 2023
Menzies Research Centre Nick Cater says the horror stories that emerge from Hamas captivity are “sickening to read”.A 12 and 16-year-old who were released by Hamas, have since recounted their time in captivity, where they were burnt by a motorcycle exhaust in order to mark their skin.“How could somebody do that to a child,” Mr Cater told Sky News host Rita Panahi.“These are the most horrendous war crimes you can imagine.“They are clearly inhuman in their actions to other people.”

'Dec 1, 2023 #Israel #AllIsraelNews #IsraelNews
The Israeli hostages who were released from the captivity of Hamas terrorists in the Gaza Strip begin to tell about what they went through. Many of them are still in shock and only open up slowly.'

'Dec 1, 2023
Sky News Digital Editor Jack Houghton says some in the media have been “fooled” by the “staged narrative” that the Israeli hostages were being treated well. “One British reporter – Dominic Waghorn – fell for the propaganda,” Mr Houghton said. Mr Waghorn reported that the hostages released by Hamas from Gaza were held in “reasonable conditions” though those held above ground lived with the “fear of being killed in Israel’s bombardment”. “His tweet has been condemned by Jewish leaders,” Mr Houghton said. “Why is the media spinning the release of hostages?”
 
And I have never seen another nation give such advance warnings to innocent civilians. Roof-knocks, phamplets, text messages, cell phone calls, marked & protected evacution routes by "occupying forces" and now maps that wll help those innocent civilians to avoid areas when required in all attempt to minimize civilian causlaties. Alas, those citizens have often been impeded by their very own government forces impeding them from freedom of movement and blocking ther attempts to move to safer areas (a war crime).

But, that nation is Israel after all, so some will find fault with whatever they do and blame them regardless. They are used to that.

I have never seen another nation inflict such indiscriminate bombing of infrastructure and civilians while the world demonstrates its inability or perhaps unwillingness to prevent it happening.
 
Solar power?

Re: solar power, “a Hamas top commander” had solar panels on the roof of his house that were wired to the specific tunnel leading toward the Al-Rantisi hospital basement, where they found the chair, rope, woman’s clothing, weapons, baby bottle, and Hamas’ guard shift list that began on October 7 <reference: CNN video at bottom of post #1,528 here>.

I wonder what other solar power still exists as far as infrastructure. I had mentioned earlier that IDF may likely target these from the air, considering they appear to be powering some tunnels.
 


“Qatar calls on the “international community to move quickly to stop the violence,” it said, as it underscored that efforts were ongoing to mediate a second truce that would include hostage releases.

It spoke up after a fragile temporary truce that had begun on the morning of November 24th, and which accompanied a hostage deal, fell apart at 7 a.m.”

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“The Biden administration has informed Israel that Washington will impose visa bans in the next few weeks on Israeli extremist settlers engaged in violence against Palestinian civilians in the occupied West Bank, a senior State Department official said.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken in his meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet have let them know that the United States will take its own action against an undisclosed number of individuals.”

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“A senior Hamas member said that the 10-month-old Kfir Bibas "paid the price because of the occupation."


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“When asked by CBS how many hostages are still alive, the senior Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad, stated "I don't know. The number is not so important."”
 
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The residents of the Gaza Strip are not our enemy," said the IDF spokesperson for Arabic media, Avichay Adraee.
The IDF published a map splitting the Gaza Strip into small alert zones which it will use to provide safety instructions to Palestinian civilians in the Strip on Friday as part of continued efforts to protect non-combatantsused by Hamas as human shields.

Old people, disabled people and children, battered people from hunger and dehydration, wounded people who have not had medical care, the list goes on.:(

Mobility in a warzone is an issue. People cannot just jump from one alert zone to another.

My heart breaks and breaks and breaks for them.

We have just left them to die. :(

For those that say we have it for Israel, please go back to the first threads and see how much support we had for Israel. We condemned Hamas and supported Israel.

This civilian wipeout is not proportionate and not acceptable.
 
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“Hamas says it kidnapped babies to 'pressure Israel'

Hamad additionally told CBS that Hamas had kidnapped 10-month-old Kfir Bibas and his four-year-old brother Ariel in order to force them to "impose pressure on their government, to tell them that you pushed us to hell."

When asked how a 10-month-old baby and four-year-old boy could take action to pressure the Israeli government, Hamad simply repeated that "they have to exert pressure on Israel, their government, in order to tell them that you are going in the wrong way."”
 
It’s the Palestinian people who will take a thumping. :(

37m ago

Hamas to 'take a thumping' according to Israeli government spokesperson​

An Israeli government spokesperson has said that Hamas “will now take the mother of all thumpings” after a truce in the Gaza Strip expired and hostilities resumed.

 
22m ago

UN calls renewed fighting in Gaza 'catastrophic'​

The United Nations said it deeply regretted the resumption of deadly hostilities in the Gaza Strip on Friday after the end of a truce between Israeland Hamas, calling the situation “catastrophic”.

The body also said it was concerned by suggestions Israel could seek to expand its military offensive inside the Palestinian territory.

Fighting resumed in Gaza immediately after the expiry of a week-long truce, with the first fatalities reported minutes later, according to health officials in the enclave.

“I deeply regret that military operations have started again in Gaza,” UN secretary general António Guterres said on X, formerly known as Twitter.

The UN’s human rights chief Volker Türk called the resumption of hostilities “catastrophic”.

He urged efforts to be redoubled to try to bring about a ceasefire on humanitarian and human rights grounds.

“Recent comments by Israeli political and military leaders indicating that they are planning to expand and intensify the military offensive are very troubling,” Türk added, Agence France Presse reports.

“The situation is beyond crisis point.”

Turk called for an “immediate end to the violence, the prompt and unconditional release of all remaining hostages, the cessation of firing of indiscriminate rockets and use of explosive weapons with wide-area effects in populated areas.”

“I still hope that it will be possible to renew the pause that was established. The return to hostilities only shows how important it is to have a true humanitarian ceasefire.”

 
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Hamas to 'take a thumping' according to Israeli government spokesperson​

An Israeli government spokesperson has said that Hamas “will now take the mother of all thumpings” after a truce in the Gaza Strip expired and hostilities resumed.


I bet they are.

Sadly, I think Sinwar, etc. is going to do some stuff too.

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UN calls renewed fighting in Gaza 'catastrophic'​

The United Nations said it deeply regretted the resumption of deadly hostilities in the Gaza Strip on Friday after the end of a truce between Israeland Hamas, calling the situation “catastrophic”.

The body also said it was concerned by suggestions Israel could seek to expand its military offensive inside the Palestinian territory.

Fighting resumed in Gaza immediately after the expiry of a week-long truce, with the first fatalities reported minutes later, according to health officials in the enclave.

“I deeply regret that military operations have started again in Gaza,” UN secretary general António Guterres said on X, formerly known as Twitter.

The UN’s human rights chief Volker Türk called the resumption of hostilities “catastrophic”.

He urged efforts to be redoubled to try to bring about a ceasefire on humanitarian and human rights grounds.

“Recent comments by Israeli political and military leaders indicating that they are planning to expand and intensify the military offensive are very troubling,” Türk added, Agence France Presse reports.

“The situation is beyond crisis point.”

Turk called for an “immediate end to the violence, the prompt and unconditional release of all remaining hostages, the cessation of firing of indiscriminate rockets and use of explosive weapons with wide-area effects in populated areas.”

“I still hope that it will be possible to renew the pause that was established. The return to hostilities only shows how important it is to have a true humanitarian ceasefire.”


It is and will be catastrophic, imo, the result of the truce violations. Again, no candy coating. Hamas had a window of opportunity and they obviously blew it for everyone.

Now they will (continue to) be defeated.
 
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Old people, disabled people and children, battered people from hunger and dehydration, wounded people who have not had medical care, the list goes on.:(

Mobility in a warzone is an issue. People cannot just jump from one alert zone to another.

My heart breaks and breaks and breaks for them.

We have just left them to die. :(

For those that say we have it for Israel, please go back to the first threads and see how much support we had for Israel. We condemned Hamas and supported Israel.

This civilian wipeout is not proportionate and not acceptable.

It is no doubt beyond horrific for those who had to nothing to do with any of this. :(

This is so sadly what Hamas’ terrorism has caused.

What did Hamas think was going to happen?


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They knew this would happen. No Hamas would have expected for Israel to take this lying down.

And now they have to be taken out, as best as possible. Otherwise the threat continues.
 
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I agree but this is not just on Hamas now. Isreal is also responsible for its actions.

In Israel’s mind they are responsibly choosing the actions of protecting their country and defeating/annihilating a terroristic threat after being brutally attacked. Sadly civilians are collateral damage. No candy coating it.
 
In Israel’s mind they are responsibly choosing the actions of protecting their country and defeating/annihilating a terroristic threat. Sadly civilians are collateral damage. No candy coating it.

Not that my opinion matters but I cannot support that. Civilians are always affected in times of war, but to this extent? No, it’s not OK.
 
There has been rightful criticism of protests, however the protests are not just about Israel-Hamas. The pro-Palestinian protests are large, but many people join for other reasons. Many minority groups have aligned themselves with Palestinians. They tend to identify with their issues. (High unemployment etc)

Many don't see Hamas or understand Hamas, but they see Palestine as "struggle for equality" and "civil rights"

They want a ceasefire. Yeah, they got one. Hamas broke it, but I would not be surprised in their minds, they think Israel broke it because Hamas rockets were intercepted and Israel has bombs that Hamas can't intercept. So on it goes..

MOO-and just trying to put some perspective on an issue that seems to be compounding things....

 
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30min ago

Israel says 137 hostages are still being held in Gaza

Israel says that 137 hostages are still being held in the Strip after 110 returned home.

Among those still in captivity after the end of the truce Friday are 115 men, 20 women and two children, government spokesperson Eylon Levy says. Ten of the hostages are 75 and older, he says. The majority, or 126, are Israeli and 11 are foreign nationals, including eight from Thailand.

Levy lists the youngest hostage, 10-month-old Kfir Bibas, his 4-year-old brother Ariel and their mother Shiri as among the hostages. The military has said it is investigating a Hamas claim that the boys and their mother were killed.

Levy says seven people are still missing from the initial attack.
 
1hr ago

Senior Israeli to TV: ‘If they return women, there’ll be a pause – equation is simple’

A senior Israeli official tells Channel 13: “If they return our women, there will be a day’s pause. The equation is simple.”

Channel 12 cites a diplomatic official as saying “There will be several days of combat. Hamas knows the conditions for a return to the pause.”

22min ago

Incoming rocket sirens sound in the Upper Galilee

Incoming rocket sirens are sounding in the Upper Galilee.

The alerts are activated in Shear Yeshuv, HaGoshrim, Dafna and Beit Hillel.

There are no immediate reports of injuries or damage.
 
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