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East London Advertiser continues its 125th anniversary coverage:
1am, September 30, 1888: Another murdered woman found
1am, September 30, 1888: Another murdered woman found
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...ed-investigation-german-sailor_n_3981837.html
Jack The Ripper Mystery Solved? Cold Case Investigation Implicates German Sailor Carl Feigenbaum
The Huffington Post | By Meredith Bennett-Smith
Posted: 09/24/2013 2:13 pm EDT | Updated: 09/25/2013 10:06 am EDT
Jack The Ripper Mystery Solved? Cold Case Investigation Implicates German Sailor Carl Feigenbaum
The Huffington Post | By Meredith Bennett-Smith
Posted: 09/24/2013 2:13 pm EDT | Updated: 09/25/2013 10:06 am EDT
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http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/09/29/jack-ripper-cold-case-solved?hpt=hln10_4&hpt=hp_t3
Forensic expert: Jack the Ripper never existed
'Jack the Ripper' is one of the most infamous serial killers of all time. Now that more information about the 125-year-old cold case has been brought to light, could it solve the mystery for good, or is it just another theory?
By Colette Bennett
updated 6:36 PM EDT, Sat October 05, 2013
...An ex-homicide detective believes he has answers to one of the most baffling mysteries of all time -- the identity of Jack the Ripper. He claims the infamous serial killer never existed at all....
Forensic expert: Jack the Ripper never existed
'Jack the Ripper' is one of the most infamous serial killers of all time. Now that more information about the 125-year-old cold case has been brought to light, could it solve the mystery for good, or is it just another theory?
By Colette Bennett
updated 6:36 PM EDT, Sat October 05, 2013
...An ex-homicide detective believes he has answers to one of the most baffling mysteries of all time -- the identity of Jack the Ripper. He claims the infamous serial killer never existed at all....
This theory is nothing new and I see he's trying to hawk a book.
I think the cannonical five murders were commited by the same individual but I doubt he was any of the famous suspects that have fallen in and out of vogue.
Unfortunately this case is so old and so little remains in the way of evidence or even reliable information and has been so distorted and clouded by popular culture you can float ANY theory or suspect and and it really cant be 'ruled out' per se.
And as long as the name Jack The Ripper still draws attention Theories and suspects will continue to pop up.
The Truth though my be lost to History forever.
I think the cannonical five murders were commited by the same individual but I doubt he was any of the famous suspects that have fallen in and out of vogue.
Unfortunately this case is so old and so little remains in the way of evidence or even reliable information and has been so distorted and clouded by popular culture you can float ANY theory or suspect and and it really cant be 'ruled out' per se.
And as long as the name Jack The Ripper still draws attention Theories and suspects will continue to pop up.
The Truth though my be lost to History forever.
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Liverpool trots out its favorite son, James Maybrick:
Was he the face of Jack the Ripper?. (Liverpool Echo)
Was he the face of Jack the Ripper?. (Liverpool Echo)
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Next Wednesday the 16th will be the 125th anniversary of the reception of the "From Hell" letter that was accompanied by a package that contained part of a human kidney that may have belonged to Catherine Eddowes.
What is your opinion of the 'from Hell' letter Standreid?
I know some factions dismiss it as a hoax(Of course what part of this case DOESNT some 'expert' dismiss as a Hoax?) but to me anyway that one always struck me as being legit from the Whitechappel Killer.
I guess it always passed my 'gut feeling' test from the first time I read it.
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It's a close call for me Kline. At first, I was pretty sure it was legitimate. I'm a little less sure now but I'm still on the side that it was sent by the killer and was Eddowes' kidney fragment.
I go back and forth like that on the 'Maybrick' diary as well.
In the minus column: The fact that it came to light at all seems suspicious.
Plus its twisted provenance and the folks who brought it to the public's attention.
Ditto for the total 'Novel-istic' arc of the story inside.
The plus column:The fact that the the materials of the diary STILL havent been discredited, the age of the ink paper ect.(as happened to the Hitler Diary).
Also the things the author choose to dwell on:minutae from his personal life no one would care about and the more sensational aspects of the murders that he just breezes through or barely mentions at all.
Also the raw graphic sometimes obscene narative....to me its either a very Modern Hoaxer with Modern de-sensitized sensibilties or its real.
And it does seem like it would be difficult to not get tripped up on the details of James Maybricks life....yet how would one do that exaustive amount of research on him(Especially a layman) and NOT call attention to yourself?
You would have to do some serious digging in a wide variety of obscure places.
Its not like Maybrick was some iconic historical figure where everyone knows where he was or wasnt on any given date.....or you could find out in minutes on the internet.
And a Hoaxer would have to know people(Press with resources) would be going over the archives of Maybrick's life in an effort to discredit the Diary.
In the minus column: The fact that it came to light at all seems suspicious.
Plus its twisted provenance and the folks who brought it to the public's attention.
Ditto for the total 'Novel-istic' arc of the story inside.
The plus column:The fact that the the materials of the diary STILL havent been discredited, the age of the ink paper ect.(as happened to the Hitler Diary).
Also the things the author choose to dwell on:minutae from his personal life no one would care about and the more sensational aspects of the murders that he just breezes through or barely mentions at all.
Also the raw graphic sometimes obscene narative....to me its either a very Modern Hoaxer with Modern de-sensitized sensibilties or its real.
And it does seem like it would be difficult to not get tripped up on the details of James Maybricks life....yet how would one do that exaustive amount of research on him(Especially a layman) and NOT call attention to yourself?
You would have to do some serious digging in a wide variety of obscure places.
Its not like Maybrick was some iconic historical figure where everyone knows where he was or wasnt on any given date.....or you could find out in minutes on the internet.
And a Hoaxer would have to know people(Press with resources) would be going over the archives of Maybrick's life in an effort to discredit the Diary.
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I gave the Diary a look when I first heard about it on 60 Minutes. Not long afterward, I discounted it and haven't seen anything since to change my mind. I'll admit that I haven't studied it in depth though.
Yeah!I thought it was a good read too!
Which to me is one of the major point against it being legit...the structure and arc of it makes a really good novel....life generally doesnt have that tidiness.
If its a hoax the hoaxer missed his calling in my opinion.
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This coming Saturday, November 9, is the 125th anniversary of the murder and dissection of Mary Jane Kelly, the last of Jack the Ripper's 5 canonical victims. She was the youngest of the five and the only one killed indoors. Some accounts indicate that the murderer cut out her heart and took it away with him.
I'm sure everyone has seen the famous photo of the carnage The Whitechapel Killer left behind that night in Kelly's room.
Truly horrific.
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This Friday the 20th, 125 years ago, Rose Mylett was found strangled in London. Despite some disagreement, the official ruling was that she was murdered and some believe that she was a victim of Jack the Ripper.
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While Manningham is about 200 miles north of London, one does note that it is the old Jewish area of Bradford, and that Ripper crimes took place near Old Jewry in London, which housed, at the time of Catherine Eddowes's murder, the offices of the City of London police. So those looking at the "kosher butcher" angle may find their hearts beating slightly faster.
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I was wondering today, why do people dismiss the letter that came with the kidney attached? I've read that it's because of the lack of DNA testing, making it hard to figure out if that kidney was from an animal instead. That's what I don't get - wouldn't medical experts be able to see the difference? I guess if it belonged to a pig or something it could've passed as human, I don't know.
At the same time, it makes me wonder. People in those days spent a lot more time around animal organs than most people today do. Even nowadays people still eat animal parts like kidney, liver, and so on, but in those days it was far more common. People didn't just go to the nearest shop and buy a pizza to pop into the microwave. People who were trained in medicine also did many dissections (even vivissections sometimes) of animals. Human bodies were harder to use. Nowadays there are more people who donate their bodies so students can study them and better refrigeration. In those days, a body could only be used for some time before it started to decompose badly.
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By the way, does anyone know of a good place where I can see some of the more common theories and the arguments for and against them? It's been a few years since I read about this case in some depth so I could use a refresher.
For what it's worth, there were cold blooded graphic writings before the time period the journal was supposed to be set in. I think it's a hoax but I think it could be a hoax from that time period.
At the same time, it makes me wonder. People in those days spent a lot more time around animal organs than most people today do. Even nowadays people still eat animal parts like kidney, liver, and so on, but in those days it was far more common. People didn't just go to the nearest shop and buy a pizza to pop into the microwave. People who were trained in medicine also did many dissections (even vivissections sometimes) of animals. Human bodies were harder to use. Nowadays there are more people who donate their bodies so students can study them and better refrigeration. In those days, a body could only be used for some time before it started to decompose badly.
:twocents:
By the way, does anyone know of a good place where I can see some of the more common theories and the arguments for and against them? It's been a few years since I read about this case in some depth so I could use a refresher.
For what it's worth, there were cold blooded graphic writings before the time period the journal was supposed to be set in. I think it's a hoax but I think it could be a hoax from that time period.