James Bisset / Shannan Gilbert connection

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  1. sleuther347

    sleuther347 Former Member

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    Trust him as in, not miss their regularly scheduled overpriced model shoot? It could have made the women very comfortable especially after multiple encounters going smoothly at first. If any of the missing girls actively responded to those postings is the next step
     


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    Still had to be weak enough often through drug abuse or alcohol addiction to allow it in. Goes back to poor choices.

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  3. sleuther347

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    Forgot to mention, this was in the Long Island News last week. The police have DNA! (Notice the town is the same place GP keeps his boat)

    http://pix11.com/2017/07/14/male-dn...d-teen-left-in-3-bags-on-long-island-parkway/
    Male DNA retrieved in mystery of dismembered teen left in 3 bags on Long Island Parkway

    POSTED 5:39 PM, JULY 14, 2017, BY MARY MURPHY, UPDATED AT 10:26PM, JULY 14, 2017


    BAY SHORE, N.Y. — When PIX11 returned with the New York State Police to the Suffolk County spot where a gruesome discovery was made 35 years ago, it was a rainy day.
    It was just like the day in February 1982 when three bags were discovered on the shoulder of the northbound Sagtikos Parkway. Those bags contained the body parts of 19-year-old Tina Foglia.
    The location is very close to where the westbound Southern State Parkway feeds into the northbound Sagtikos in Bay Shore.
    “The DOT worker suspected it was a body because of the shape of the bags,” Senior Investigator Simon Ocampo told PIX11. “And when he got closer, he saw hair.”
    Tina Foglia was a brunette who loved the Long Island rock music scene at Hammerheads, once located on Sunrise Highway in West Islip -- a club that launched bands like Twisted Sister.
    She spent her last night alive there on Feb. 1, 1982.
    “Tina was last seen at the exit of Hammerheads,” Ocampo said.
    She left about 3 a.m.
    Acquaintances said Foglia, a home health aide from Brentwood, was known to hitchhike, even though her sister Amy had begged her not to.

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    New York State Police are asking anyone with information to call them at 631-756-3300

    more at the link
     
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    I'm sorry if you feel as though I am bossy, I just think its common sense given the manipulative qualities that those at SCPDs highest levels have shown. Why wouldn't they put it on Bissett? They have every reason to.

    I do get a bit patronizing, and for that I apologize. I just know how the FBI works and unfortunately, have a very, very unique perspective on how the SCPD operate.

    I also found it a bit odd that the day you joined you attacked the tangential discussion regarding the 3 men I believe are involved in murdering and covering it up. So, I hope you can understand my suspicious tone in regards to you.
     
  5. maddalena1

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    Who are the 3 men you feel are involved because 3 is significant to me?

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  6. sleuther347

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    Thinking out loud here again...

    Whoever this guy is, he's having a ball making idiots out of the cops. He hasn't been dumping entire bodies for the length of his killing career. He's putting torsos in one spot and their detached legs quite a distance away. In effect, he's creating more than one crime scene for each body he dismembers...thus complicating law enforcement's job. He hates cops. He's getting a charge out of creating as many crime scenes as possible, because he likes the idea of making any discovery more difficult for the cops. It fits in nicely with his dismemberment fantasy and amuses him...after all, isn't he thinking he's smarter than the police?

    I also got to thinking about Fire Island Jane Doe#7's legs. Her skull is waaay over by Jones Beach Island, and her legs are on Davis Beach. Think about that. Who would drop the skull in Jones Beach, then drive alllllll the way to Davis Park to dump her legs? Now, if you had a boat, you could easily cross from a slip on Long Island anywhere from West Hampton Beach west to Freeport or Rockville Center to gain access to the Jones Beach/Fire Islands.

    Stay with me here. Since our murderer likes to scatter body parts, or dump bodies as clandestinely as possible, could he not load those bodies or parts into a boat, cross the inlet, deposit Jane Doe's legs on the northern side of Fire Island/Davis Park, travel west underneath the Robert Moses Causeway to Jones Beach, anchor close to the beach, carry or drag a body or parts across that short width of beach, and toss either the entire body (or in this case JD#7's head) into the brambled woods there? In doing this, the legs wind up on the northern side of Davis Park/Fire Island, but the bodies and parts wind up on the southern side of Jones Beach. He doesn't need to use the highway at all.

    Does our killer have access to a boat? A cabin cruiser? Did he switch from dumping on the mainland via the highway, to dumping on the outlying islands via the sea?

    A little Long Island history...since this country began, Long Island has always been thought of as a collection of seaport villages strung together by roads and highways. The first towns and villages grew up along the shoreline. As those seaport villages grew, the native Americans living on the Island were gradually pushed out in order to make way for whites in the shipping and fishing industries. You'll notice that Long Island's various villages and towns' names are derived from Native American tribal names, British names, or port names. Its a place traditionally and historically arranged to accommodate boating activities. There are virtually hundreds of boatyards, marinas, slips and docks where all kinds of pleasure craft and commercial ships can be docked on both the North Shore and the South Shore. Wherever there's a body of water or an inlet opening out to the ocean...you're guaranteed to find either a little boat slip, an upscale marina for wealthier people, or a commercial boatyard.

    How do I know this? Not only was my dad a landscaper on Long Island, he was also an avid sport fisherman who knew the inlets, docks and boatyards on Long Island like the back of his hand. I spent a lot of my childhood learning about deep sea fishing and boating from him, so I understand both the local nautical culture and history of Long Island. If you have two cents to rub together, and you live on Long Island...you own a boat.

    So, our killer just might be a long time Long Islander who is also a boat owner - which gives him TWO methods for disposing bodies and body parts. When I saw that Jane Doe#7's legs were found on the north shore of Davis Park and the head found on the south shore of Jones Beach. It made sense that our killer may have abandoned risky dumping on the main island for more clandestine, shore dumping from the sea. By the way...its easier to hose out a boat than it is to hose out a car or truck.

    Take a look. Possible?
    https://maphub.net/jjslate/gilgo-beach-murders
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  7. SageRhiannon

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    Why did the first person call a tip in on him?
     
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    The problem I have with the boating theory for the remains on OP are there were all found on the north side of the road (heading westbound). They were also found much closer to the road than the water. If someone dumped them via boat, they would have to have walked quite a distance from the water to where they were dumped through heavy brush. It is much more plausible that they were dumped from the highway. JMO but I think the only remains that make sense as being brought in from a boat is Fire Island JD's legs.
     
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  9. sleuther347

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    TBH I think the killer used a car and boat. They would have had to go through heavy brush in some areas regardless, but I agree, all the bodies were not dropped on land by sea. Given the history of the area and details surrounding the murders, LISK seems to have access to some type of private boat or motor raft
     
  10. anxietykiller

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    I asked the person and haven't received a response.

    From what LH told Leanne it was an angry client who felt that LH could get him off on another charge instead of copping a plea. LH said the guy threatened him and Spota, and also called the Gilgo beach task force on him in retribution. Seems like he was doing a lot to get even if he was calling in a tip to Gilgo task force. I think he had legitimate info and LH just downplayed his initial interaction with the taskforce for the sake of keeping Leanne at bay and comfortable.
     
  11. sleuther347

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    04-30-2011, 03:11 PM
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    [​IMG]shadowraiths
    [​IMG]LISK Liaison, Verified Forensic Psychology Specialist, infoSec Architect


    Join DateFeb 2006Posts2,866​


    Before I delve into the profile, here is some info (between and below) wrt aforementioned "Defining Characteristics" of the first four victims. Please feel free to augment/correct.


    Victimology: This is a key component when profiling a crime. For example, did the victims live high-risk lifestyles? Did they have an internet presence (i.e., myspace, facebook, xanga, usenet, online classifieds)? Do they share physical appearance? Are they related or known to each other? Knowing the answers to these type of questions can help to narrow down the suspect typology.

    While the Oak Beach victims used various online ad services, all 4 used Craigslist ( link ), 3 were small in stature (4'11"-5'0", 95-105lbs) ( link,link,link ), 3 were early to mid 20s ( link ), 3 men linked to victims ( link )

    Number of Crimes Scenes: This number can be as few as one. Multiple crime scenes might include where the victim met the unsub, where they were held/tortured/assaulted, where they were murdered, where their body was dumped.

    At least 3, possibly 4: 1) the online classified to include electronic communication; both internet & phone, 2) F2F location 3) murder site (could be same as F2F, though unlikely) 4) dump site

    Environment/Place/Times of Crimes: This area addresses when and where each part of the crime occurred. For example, was the victim assaulted at home, in the middle of the night? Were they abducted in the middle of a busy intersection in broad daylight? Do the body dumps indicate any sort of pattern? For example, are the crimes clustered close together or far apart? The goal of this section is to determine the unsub's degree of risk taking, as well as determine the unsub's comfort zone.

    2 of the 4 victims reportedly left with someone ( link, link ), though cell phone records of the latter indicate pings near Massapequa Best Western & Budget Inn ( link ). One victim reportedly disappeared from the Hauppauge Holiday Inn ( link ) and the other from the NY Port Authority Bus Terminal ( link ) though, an alleged family member of the latter claims LE told them their sister's phone pinged near a "water town on LI" ( link ). All four were found in the brush, spaced at approximately 500ft, on the north side of Ocean Beach parkway between Gilgo Beach Park and Cedar Beach Park.

    Number of Offenders: Was the crime committed by one, two, or more individuals working together?

    Unknown

    Organized or Disorganized: Does the crime scene indicate the unsub is organized or disorganized? Was the unsub very methodical, leaving little to no trace evidence... Or did they seem disorganized, leaving the crime scene in disarray, such as a blitz attack, with no attention paid to leaving trace evidence. Most crime scenes are a mix, btw. So the key here is to identify anything that notably deviates.

    Meeting arrangement and body disposition, indicates offender(s) is organized.

    Physical (trace) Evidence: Were fingerprints, blood, or items left at the crime scene that could help to identify the unsub?

    Unknown

    Weapons Used: What type of weapons were used? Were the weapons brought with, or did the unsub use whatever weapons were available? For example, did s/he bring a .45 calibur firearm as opposed to killing the victim with a knife that was in the victim's kitchen? Disorganized unsubs are more likely to use a weapon found at the scene. Also, knives are more up close and personal than firearms.

    Hands, possibly garrotte

    Body Disposition: How and where was the body disposed? For example, was the body weighted and dumped in a lake? Left at the side of a busy thouroughfare? Was the body posed? This determination helps to indicate the unsub's level of desire to hide their crime as well as possible motive.

    Nude, wrapped in burlap ( link )

    Items Left/Missing: Was anything left at the crimescene (a calling card) or taken from the crime scene (a trophy)?

    Unknown

    Staging (if applicable): Staging often refers to modifying the crime scene in a way to divert investigators. For example, a staged kidnapping to cover for a murder. Staging is not to be confused with "posing" the victim's body.

    Unknown

    Posing (if applicable): Posing refers to arranging the body after death. For example, a sexual sadist may lay his victim on his/or her back, bend the knees and tilt them outwards and to the side, to "expose" his victim, in death, to the public. Posing tends to be a compulsive act (i.e., must be done to complete the ritual) and may be indicative psychological markers that can be used to narrow down the unsub pool. Furthermore, those who pose their victims will be more compelled to revisit the crime scene. Just so they can "admire" their work.

    Unknown

    Cause of Death: How did the victim die? For example, were they stabbed multiple times (i.e., overkill), shot once through the head (i.e., execution style)? The cause of death can lend insight into the unsub's preferred killing habits.

    Strangulation ( link )

    Trauma: Exclusive of the cause of death, what other trauma did the victim suffer? Were they raped and/or tortured? Were they disemboweld? Did the trauma occur before or after death? The amount and type of torture as well as when it was executed indicates the degree sadistic personality characteristics.

    Unknown

    Sexual Assault: Was the victim sexually assaulted? If so, was the assault before or after they died. What was the nature of the assault? If present, this indicates sexual motivation component of the murder.

    Unknown


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  12. anxietykiller

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    Spota, Burke and Henry. They all have dirt on the other so have incentive to keep each others secrets and protect one another.
     
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  14. Dontcallmeblondey

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    I don't think the death/murder of Shannon Gilbert has anything to do with the other murders unless she overheard something related to them she shouldn't have. There is however a good chance the person in the home owner's house could very easily have been part or wholey responsible, but it's pure conjecture. In my opinion business people are savvy the don't leave things to chance. She would have been removed from the field if it was a once off. However if you have been leaving bodies in a field like a graveyard and no one has found them then why worry she would be found?


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    I took your words and Ban into great consideration and felt some info needed to be shared with Suffolk County Police detectives who are currently investigating him as POI (and thanked me for bringing it to their attention). Guess we will know very soon If he is a "Random individual"or not.
     
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    for the record, there is no lawsuit of any kind from Leeanne (which is her nom de garre) to Burke. NADA.

    just a presser for her 15 minutes of fame and John Ray's waste of time presser because he can't win a lawsuit, so
    why not milk the Long Island Serial killer case for every moment of air time he can get.

    he has no evidence in the case against Hackett, nor anything on Burke.

    again - snicker snicker.
     
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    Scorpio girl you have quite an interesting energy....

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    People in ellenville are calling Mari's murder
    the Warran Street witch murder. Yup - you can't make this up.

    For the record - many media peeps have said that the Gilbert case
    has so many holes in it, you could drive a mack truck through it.

    Scalise has been broadcasting for years now that he has secret evidence,
    or, excuse me, that John Ray has secret evidence against Hackett. Well,
    um, where is it? Hiding in a marsh in Oak Beach behind hacker's house?
    bwahhhhh hahahahaha

    Leeanne (fake name) was on a fake newscast with a fake lawyer, oh, excuse me,
    he just dresses like a court jester, but he has not won Shannan's case and it's been
    5 years now, and he lost poor Sara's case badly in court as he showed a pathetic
    defense for her against the ADA up in Ulster County.

    Leeann ran to John Ray to be on tv. What came of it?
    Nothing. It's been 8 months and nothing has come of it.

    What have I missed?
     
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    It's true about the lack of remorse, but if they know they are caught, many would rather not have to go to jail. Ted Bundy tried to fight the arresting officer after he was caught creeping down the street where said cop lived and happened to be off duty. Once he was handcuffed and in the car, Ted said something like, 'you should have killed me. Please just just kill me'. Also, Leonard Lake swallowed several cyanide caps when Charles Ng was caught shoplifting and police started asking lake questions. He had sewn the caps into his shirt and swallowed them as soon as he figured it was game over. It took him 4 days to die... but it was still suicide to avoid capture. I think they can take some sick pleasure in knowing their secrets will die with them. "Winning" and dying is better than capture for some I guess.

    I've wondered if there is something to the group kill theory. I can't remember who it was now, but there were a couple of guys that met in jail that used the same alias and would kill in different states but at the same time, and use similar methods so each of their timelines would be impossible to match. I wonder if there's a group of these truckers that have formed a murder club of sorts and are killing using the same MO to make it difficult to trace a single persons timeline. Can't be in two states at once, so that would make it harder to connect victims to any one killer.

    The guy they talked to on the killing season, the one in jail- he mentioned something like this. Trading girls and showing off to each other. Their little group had a few men and even a woman in it! He gave them one name. Did anything come of that?
     

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