James Kolar's New Book Will Blow the Lid off the JonBenet Ramsey Investigation

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by Tricia, Jul 18, 2012.

  1. 2 percent

    2 percent New Member

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    Less than 1% are exonerated with DNA. And most overturned cases are technicalities. In pure numbers most of the convictions are not wrong. And when you add in pleas...grand juries have stats on their side
     
  2. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    Perhaps some reading is in order. It has everything to do with who knew who. That is why the Ramseys were never arrested let alone charged.

    Please do not insult the intelligence of people who know exactly how this worked.

    Tell me how many DAs would have bargained with evidence in a murder case to get a farking interview with the parents, four months later? Tell me how many DAs would have showed a tabloid reporter evidence in a murder case? Tell me how many DAs would have bowed to every request of any murder suspect's high powered lawyers?

    And JMK was just a way to act like ML was actually doing something, when in reality, she was bowing at the altar called Ramsey.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

    It's really not difficult to see, just open your eyes.

    JMO
     
  3. ozazure

    ozazure Well-Known Member

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    The DNA evidence is garbage, if you are ruling in IDI from the DNA evidence, think again. I think these trace/touch DNA advances are a step backwards in law enforcement and prosecutions. If it is so minute amount it is not even a full profile ... it is a breath on the wind, meaningless.
     
  4. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    Exactly....I don't understand why the TDNA is being touted as evidence of the Ramseys being innocent. We don't even have the full 13 markers needed for a whole profile. I think about the Baton Rouge Serial Killer at times like this..

    JMO
     
  5. chlban

    chlban Well-Known Member

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  6. FrayedKnot

    FrayedKnot Former Member

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    Yes. And again TDNA is not the same as the DNA evidence used in past cases to exonerate the wrongly convicted. It just isn't the same thing, and you'd know that if you read any of the links or info that dozens of other members have posted.

    I could have the touch DNA of dozens of people on my person and effects this moment. If my spouse kills me and my blood mixes with that TDNA, does that mean that my spouse didn't do it, but the dozens of other people with whom I had (or my clothing had) contact are the guilty parties?

    No. :facepalm:
     
  7. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 Well-Known Member

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    No one has ever been exonerated by TOUCH DNA.
     
  8. FrayedKnot

    FrayedKnot Former Member

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    I know. You know. Most everyone knows. :facepalm:

    In fact, touch DNA is regarded with a bit of a fisheye by actual professionals by virtue of it's transient properties. It's like pollen. But of COURSE, it means the Ramseys aren't killers and pedophile rapists.

    Sure.
     
  9. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    You forgot to add kidnappers in the mix. Remember the handwriting did match Patsy on 24 out of 26 letters of the alphabet.

    JMO
     
  10. FrayedKnot

    FrayedKnot Former Member

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    But but but those kidnappers spent all day and night in the Ramsey's home raping, killing, authoring and staging. And preparing a pineapple snack whilst shatting in a box of sweets. Like you do.

    So, you know, undetected. :rolleyes:
     
  11. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    Sure it has.. Tim Mathers for one..

    It showed it was not him..

    "The new hearings uncovered that DNA found on Hettrick's body did not match that of Masters' DNA. The hearings also revealed there had been substantial evidence not turned over to Masters' defense team during the previous trials. As a result, Masters conviction was overturned and prosecutors dropped the murder charge against him.
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    http://www.dnaforensics.com/touchdna.aspx
     
  12. 2 percent

    2 percent New Member

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    I don't agree at all. I've debated several cases, seen many scenes where the victim was still alive and the EMTs trampled and on the scene and alcohol swabbed touch DNA evidence away and people still get convicted. In court. With evidence. Fire scenes are notorious for compromised scenes but there are still convictions.

    Yes, JB was moved but in the Darlie Routier case one boy was given CPR by the dad, showering him in blood, and the other was intubated and treated on the way to the hospital. A clean conviction in that case. That's because the totality of evidence is what matters most, not the purity of ever bit.

    This scene was really better contained than most and had less outside contamination than many I've seen. I haven't seen enough about evidence collection to know how well it was done but I also haven't seen specific complaints either.
     
  13. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    Well this one we will just disagree on.. They had a house that a child was taken from.. NO ONE should have been allowed in that house. IT was a crime scene from the moment the Police arrived.. IT should have all been preserved. JR should never have been sent to search without an Officer..
    BPD messed this one up badly.
     
  14. 2 percent

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    First of all, not exonerated. His conviction was overturned and the murder charges dismissed. But not exonerated. As a matter of fact if I had to guess the conviction was overturned largely based on prosecutorial misconduct (not turning over exculpatory evidence) and possible perjury by one witness. Why do I think that? Because the man the touch DNA identified has not been arrested or charged. Also, if you research the case the misconduct by police and prosecutors is by far the most prominent discussion.

    I'd have to get my hands on his appeals but judging from the sites I've read it wasn't just, or even mostly, the touch DNA. But then your source is DNA forensics website....of course they're going to focus on the DNA in the case!
     
  15. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    He was exonerated. That is semantics..
    IT is what it is.. The TDNA matched the boyfriend. That is all that matters.
     
  16. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    OMG, rolling here. Just rolling. I wonder if they were preparing the snack and shatting at the same time. How unhealthy if so...LOL:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::facepalm:
     
  17. 2 percent

    2 percent New Member

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    Mistakes were made at the scene, yes. But I've seen much, much worse with convictions.

    No the problem was what happened after that day when the in fighting and biases came out, when the Ramseys were allowed to dictate the majority of the investigation. And don't think that isn't suspicious on their part.
     
  18. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    Sorry, But I believe had they run the scene correctly, Brought in dogs, and done a proper search, This would have a solution by now.
     
  19. 2 percent

    2 percent New Member

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    Okay. Exactly why would dogs and finding the body earlier have changed anything? With examples and explanation please.
     
  20. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    They would have been able to find the body ASAP.. Less evidence lost, Finding the body earlier.. I think it is really obvious..
     

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