JLM: Morgan Harrington/Fairfax Rape Victim - *Forensic Link* to MH #3

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  1. Harmony 2

    Harmony 2 <b><span style="color:#000099;">WS Senior Moderato Administrator

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  3. bessie

    bessie <b><span style="color:#007C00;">WS Administrator</ Administrator

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    I'm going to open a thread specifically for Morgan Harrington and the Fairfax rape victim since there is so much interest. Should DNA rule him out, we will close the thread. In the meantime, post relevant information here.

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  4. otto

    otto Verified Expert

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    July 1, 2010

    "A major break in the Morgan Harrington case tonight. Police say they can tie the abduction and murder of the Virginia Tech student to a sexual assault in Fairfax city. There's even a police sketch of a suspect.

    Investigators will only say that forensic evidence ties the suspect to Morgan Harrington's abduction and murder in Charlottesville. But Harrington's parents confirmed this afternoon it was DNA found on Morgan that matches the suspect in the Fairfax case."

    http://www.wlox.com/story/12742496/update-morgan-harringtons-death-linked-to-case-in-fairfax
     
  5. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    Can we have a ,"Jesse is framed "thread and have all of the information people feel supports that theory?

    That way everyone who has theories can be there and the rest of us can go with other info.
     
  6. imjustagirl123

    imjustagirl123 Justice for Morgan and Hannah

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    Subscribing. Thanks for all your hard work Bessie :)
     
  7. Xara

    Xara New Member

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    Following.
     
  8. Conductor71

    Conductor71 New Member

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    <modsnip>


    Where did I say the DNA only came from the shirt? I get that <modsnip>

    I am not sure what you mean. <modsnip> Forensics is a tool, a flawed one. It has been under scrutiny for at least a decade for lacking in scientific rigor. DNA profiling is yet one tool in an arsenal that can strengthen a case; yet it is just one contextual thing, and its strength or weakness in a case depends on other evidence. That was my over all point, <modsnip>

    Last I checked, CODIS is a database that collects genetic data for comparison and matching of chromosomal loci. It is a matching tool; it is not an infallible, omniscient forensic god. <modsnip> Maybe you do have some expertise on just how CODIS works and its statistical reliability. How searches can yield a wide range of results with verification of race being but one partial result. Since you are <modsnip> knowledgeable, please explain just how CODIS works, and all the kinds of data it yields. Also what exactly does a match include about a person?




    Really? Read on...

    BBM Did I say that any and all DNA found only on that shirt was entered into CODIS? Genetic or DNA sampling must be taken from several places from evidence including both human tissue and things like clothing; then narrowed down to identify pertinent samples. So you are saying that only DNA taken from evidence at the crime scene is the only credible source? In addition to genetic interference from the shirt's locale outdoors, it likely had many traces from Morgan's friends or anyone else she had contact with prior to her disappearance. Genetic sampling is a process of exclusion and refinement. As for that shirt left in public, how could I be so dense...?

    In April, five months after its discovery, police announced that forensic evidence revealed that the Pantera t-shirt...did, in fact, belong to Morgan. That forensic evidence, says Barfield, was most likely DNA&#8211;- and, he says, a likely source for the match with the Fairfax case since extracting an assailant's DNA evidence from Morgan's decomposed remains, which were exposed to the elements for three months, would have been very difficult. (Like farm owner Bass, the UVA student who discovered the t-shirt had not yet been shown the composite sketch when a reporter showed it to him.)

    note: Barfield is a forensic expert and retired, local LEO who offers genetic profiling services.



    Sigh. Again, yes actually it can. I am not saying it provided only a partial match on race. Records can simply be used to establish more certainty of race. I said that it could have been used to verify race at minimum. We are not privy to what it established. <modsnip>
     
  9. jamicat

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    We'll find out most likey in the near future whether a definite DNA match is achieved. LE afterall took a very good swab of JM's DNA which is the optimal collection method. They should have an excellent sample from the Fairfax victim. How good and clean MH"s samples are, don't know. But we certainly will know. Right now we are fighting about something that is going to be announced as facts . If it does turn out that JM is not a match, as Bessie states, this thread is done. it's over. Who said what that implied that isn't going to matter.
     
  10. Heroine

    Heroine Here I come to save the day....

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    I thought it would be a good idea to move this over here so there is no confusion on this...plus that took me some time...lol

    http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlines/Families-of-Morgan-Harrington-and-Alexis-Murphy-Join-Forces-to-Save-the-Next-Girl-228257121.html
    http://www.turnto10.com/story/264312...lved-mysteries
    http://news.sky.com/story/1344748/ha...to-2009-murder

    - See more at: http://www.coloradonewsday.com/news/....l5xs2ecu.dpuf
    http://www.coloradonewsday.com/news/...nd-guilty.html
    https://gma.yahoo.com/suspect-hannah-graham-disappearance-tied-2009-murder-police-171400200--abc-news-topstories.html
    Edited to add that we have gone over this topic 1000 times, somehow it always goes back to this. DNA that was on the Tshirt was Morgan's thats how they know it is indeed hers. Also his DNA might be on it as well, but as you see the DNA came from her body. LE is not going to come right out and say these things, Morgan's parents however, have said them many times that I remember, and I don't think that if your child died in such a manner you'd be making assumptions, you would know what happened to your child. You would/could never forget. JMO
    BBM bolded italicized and underlined Virginia State police for emphasis
    Edited yet again to add that a couple of my links in this post no longer work because I copy and pasted from post #1151 in the previous thread, but all links still work there.
     
  11. Justice101

    Justice101 New Member

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    Following with interest....
     
  12. ClueingForLooks

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    Thanks so much for posting this here!
     
  13. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Active Member

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    I just will wait to hear about Morgan from LE, but jmo.
     
  14. Heroine

    Heroine Here I come to save the day....

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    And you have every right to do so, but with all due respect I thought I would show you this as it does state VA state police...
     
  15. SassyFras

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    <respectfully snipped>

    Thank you so much for this. I know how arduous the circular argument got over this particular nuance. It'll be fantastic to just point to this post re: the DNA when the issue resurfaces again :)
     
  16. Conductor71

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    What is with the dogged effort to assert absolute authority over the presence of forensic evidence linking cases? If you somehow have expertise, please become vetted through the forum, and share. Otherwise please stop using semantics to promote one source of DNA as the only credible and actual source used in these cases. It is simply not true and has been documented as such.

    I thought we are only to rely on official verifiable evidence or info released from LE. If LE says "forensic link" then it ends there. Why do we continue to volley the source of the DNA when we cannot ultimately know any more at this stage? The near obsessiveness in insisting that DNA is only "on Morgan" is misleading, and it becomes questionable as why there is a persistence in the first place.

    DNA can come from many things (both remains and inanimate objects). The relative quality and wholeness of a sample dictates its source, so the DNA sources will be unique to every case. Usually crime involvs evaluating multiple sources. LE has not disclosed more specific info , but since they have alluded to both Morgan's remains and her shirt, I think we can infer both have been used. Please stop insisting it only comes from one source.

    In an effort to move this convo forward, I have included this handy reference A Simplified Guide to DNA Evidence. Can we please start having more productive dialog now?
     
  17. newredtabby

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    Wow Conductor71. I definitely do see "dogged effort to assert absolute authority".
     
  18. otto

    otto Verified Expert

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    Thank you for finding so many links supporting the fact that DNA on Morgan's remains is what connects Morgan's murder to the 2005 Fairfax case.
     
  19. cluciano63

    cluciano63 Active Member

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    Thanks...also about how she died, if they know and what her wounds were. But I can wait until a trial.
     
  20. dda

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    I am not sure if this is the right thread for this question but here goes. Can a scent dog pick up someone's scent if it has "traveled" on another person? Specifically, if JM abducted Morgan Harrington and then later went to Wild Wing Cafe, would that explain the scent that was supposedly found at that location when the dogs were searching for Morgan. I ask this because I noticed that on the Silverbacks Facebook page, Wild Wing Cafe was one of that pages' handful of "likes." (McGrady's being another). That made me think what if Wild Wing Cafe was a regular hangout for JM in 2009? Would the dogs have been able to pick up Morgan's scent if he was there shortly after coming into contact with her even though she was never there?
     
  21. GeeButtersnaps

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    That is a very good question I've never even thought about that would love to see some insight on that..
     
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