JLM: When will charges come in the HG and MH cases?

[FindHG]

Medical Examiner determines cause of death for once missing UVa. student Hannah Graham
By Laura French and Scott Wise - Nov 18, '14 1:37pm
http://wtvr.com/2014/11/18/hannah-graham-cause-of-death/

Cause of death determined for Hannah Graham, but it's being withheld
The cause of death is being withheld at the request of the Charlottesville Police Department
Web Staff, WDBJ7 2:19 pm Nov 18, '14
http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/cau...hannah-graham-but-its-being-withheld/29800746

Cause of Hannah Graham's Death Determined; Details Won't Be Released
By Matthew Stabley - Tuesday, Nov 18, '14 - 1:45 pm
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Hannah-Graham-Jesse-Matthew-Death-Charges-283076631.html

Medical Examiner determines cause of death for UVA student Hannah Graham
By Becca Mitchell - Nov 18, '14 - posted 2:24pm
http://wtkr.com/2014/11/18/medical-examiner-determines-cause-of-death-for-uva-student-hannah-graham/

Hannah Graham Cause of Death Determined; Details Not Released
Nov 18, '14 1:17 pm
http://www.nbc29.com/story/27416684/hannah-graham-cause-of-death-determined-details-not-released

Medical Examiner Has Cause of Death for Hannah Graham
By WRIC Newsroom Nov 18, 2014 12:32 pm
http://www.wric.com/story/27417133/medical-examiner-has-cause-of-death-for-hannah-graham

Hannah Graham cause of death determined, officials withholding details
By T. Rees Shapiro November 18 at 10:59 AM
[please forgive the repost, no disrespect meant, but it's easier to remember sources for me this way]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...10156c-6f37-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html

 

[AnnaGrace]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...10156c-6f37-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html

Cause of Death Determined, Officials Withholding Details

Thank you Charlie. I hope this will speed along charges in the HG case. I also feel like the tip line being closed a few days ago may mean that LE has found enough evidence to build a case. JMO of course.

 

[4MYGUYS]

Thanks Charlie and FindHG
It is very troubling thinking about the ME determining a cause of death, given the circumstances. I know this is all part of the investigation, but it is a very sobering and difficult thought. Another extremely hard day for the Grahams, I pray for them.

 

[AnnaGrace]

IIRC cause of death has never been released in MH's case either. Was it ever publicized whether a COD was determined by the ME for Morgan?

 

[AnnaGrace]

I just found the answer to my own question. Near the end of the article Gil Harrington says police have told them Morgan's COD but she is not at liberty to say what it is.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/crime/r...cle_86e9e9da-4d9f-54ff-9f2c-e8ffa88c9712.html

 

[Enni]

Hannah Graham's cause of death determined to be 'homicidal violence of undetermined etiology.”

http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/s...cle_76535039-63fb-5b96-8e6c-0065cdd592de.html

 

[Dr. Know?]

AlbemarleCoPolice @AlbemarleCoPD

We have received a cause and manner of death from the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in the Hannah Graham investigation.



AlbemarleCoPolice ‏@AlbemarleCoPD · 26m26 minutes ago
The cause of death is homicidal violence of undetermined etiology. The manner of death is homicide.

https://twitter.com/AlbemarleCoPD

 

[CoverMeCagney]

More of the above, with latest pics of JLM in court

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ner-WON-T-released-request-investigators.html

Is it usual to withhold cause of death? Wondering why they need to do this?

 

[Conductor71]

AlbemarleCoPolice @AlbemarleCoPD

We have received a cause and manner of death from the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in the Hannah Graham investigation.



AlbemarleCoPolice ‏@AlbemarleCoPD · 26m26 minutes ago
The cause of death is homicidal violence of undetermined etiology. The manner of death is homicide.

https://twitter.com/AlbemarleCoPD

Just tried to start a new thread on this. My goodness I have never seen such a concoction as "homicidal violence of undetermined etiology" in other words it cannot be determined.

 

[Zuri]

Just tried to start a new thread on this. My goodness I have never seen such a concoction as "homicidal violence of undetermined etiology" in other words it cannot be determined.

Is this similar to what Dr. G stated in Caylee Anthony's death?

 

[Conductor71]

Is this similar to what Dr. G stated in Caylee Anthony's death?

I have only seen it as undetermined. This is ridiculous; there must be some sort of hard evidence supporting a homicide ruling. Where are the toxicology reports?

 

[Just K]

Cause of Death determined- officials withholding details:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...340_story.html

This article seems to suggest that details are known just not being discussed in order to protect the prosecution of the case.

 

[Conductor71]

Cause of Death determined- officials withholding details:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...340_story.html

This article seems to suggest that details are known just not being discussed in order to protect the prosecution of the case.

I get only a 404 message?

 

[bestill]

I get only a 404 message?

Try this link....http://m.wdbj7.com/news/cause-of-death-determined-for-hannah-graham-but-its-being-withheld/29800746

 

[4 Free Speech]

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/...ruled-homicide

<The Albemarle County Sheriff's Department released a statement Tuesday relaying word from the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner that Hannah Graham's death was caused by "homicidal violence of undetermined etiology." The determination by the medical examiner confirms that Graham was killed, but doesn't reveal how it happened.

"The Albemarle County Police Department and the Albemarle County Commonwealth's Attorney remain committed to the investigation," the statement continued. "To protect the integrity of the case, we will not be answering questions or releasing additional information. We are working hard to ensure that justice is served."

A final autopsy report has not been issued.>

I tried searching the full medical definition of: "homicidal violence of undetermined etiology." under the VA Medical Examiners Office. Has anyone found it? I would be curious to see the legal definition.

 

[Heroine]

BREAKING: Albemarle Co. Police say they have determined a cause of death in the Hannah Graham case. The cause of death is homicidal violence of undetermined etiology. The manner of death is homicide.
https://www.facebook.com/ParkSlaybaugh?hc_location=timeline

 

[4 Free Speech]

Websters defiinition of:

eti·ol·o·gy noun (Medical Dictionary)
plural eti·ol·o·gies
Medical Definition of ETIOLOGY

1
: the cause or causes of a disease or abnormal condition <some types of cancer have a viral etiology> <a multiple etiology in which biological, psychological, and sociocultural factors all play a role&#8212;M. E. Jackson et al>
2
: a branch of medical science dealing with the causes and origin of diseases
Variants of ETIOLOGY

eti·ol·o·gy or chiefly British ae·ti·ol·o·gy

 

[Conductor71]

BREAKING: Albemarle Co. Police say they have determined a cause of death in the Hannah Graham case. The cause of death is homicidal violence of undetermined etiology. The manner of death is homicide.

Who comes up with this stuff? The official cause of death is "undetermined". Your move, JM. Hint: They still need that confession.

 

[Conductor71]

A final autopsy report has not been issued.>

I tried searching the full medical definition of: "homicidal violence of undetermined etiology." under the VA Medical Examiners Office. Has anyone found it? I would be curious to see the legal definition.

There is no legal definition because it does not exist as an option. The only choice the ME would have is "undetermined" or "pending" if toxicology tests were being performed.

Here is a VA ME site that includes statutes

http://www.vdh.state.va.us/medExam/AboutMedExaminer.htm

 

[Conductor71]

I have to agree with you on this. The report seems to say 'we know she was killed, but we don't know how. But we are pretty sure it was homicide'. Is that truly determining a cause of death? They may has well have said COD was heart stopped beating. I really was hoping for more, and I sure hope ME was able to pull JLM's DNA from her remains.

Frankly, it is devolving into some weird circus side show with LE and the Media. It does not come across as professional, IMO.

I do not understand how they came up with homicide for Manner of Death. According to national guidelines, they need "clear and convincing evidence" (not circumstantial) given someone will go to prison or worse. They cannot determine what caused her death; they have no toxicology report, yet they know it is homicide?

Furthermore, "Homicide" is a neutral term in the ME's lexicon. It is just crazy they are adding the "violent" label. Do they not want this to go to trial? I am not sure what LE is up to, but it may just blow up in their face.

Here is a national standard for ME in determining Manner of Death:

A guide for the manner of death classification