John Andrew Ramsey

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  1. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    Here are some things I feel pecuilar about JAR:

    1.) The R's neighbor, Joe Barnhill, reported seeing John Andrew walk up to the R's house, on 12/25. Does anyone know if this sighting was when the R's had already gone to the Whites house? Barnhill later changed his statement to say that he might have been mistaken.

    2.) There is no home video footage of Christmas morning. There are only two pictures. Was JAR in any of those pictures and videos that they had to be erased?

    3.) One of the original people that John has stayed close to throughout the years was his pilot, Mike Archuletta. Did Mike give JAR the plane ride to and from Boulder?

    4.) Why did John and Patsy say that they wouldn't answer any questions until the police cleared JAR and Melinda?

    5.) JAR's suitcase with his blanket, book, and semen were found near JonBenet's body.

    6.) It's been said that JonBenet was being molested but not on a regular basis. Since JAR was in Boulder but not always at home, he would of had irregular access to JBR. Didn't she go to the school nurse on Mondays? Did JAR make a stop at home during the weekend?

    7.) Why did John lawyer up his family like his ex-wife and not Patsy's family? (I'm not positive about this; but I'm pretty sure Lucinda got a lawyer and Nedra didn't)

    8.) LE cleared JAR because of a picture of him at an ATM. Wouldn't that picture be really grainy? If he spent Christmas with his mom's family, then why aren't there any pictures of him there? Also, didn't he go to the movies too on 12/25? So he went to his mom's house and the movies on 12/25? Or was his mom's house on 12/24?

    Now, I know that someone will say that Patsy would have never covered up for JAR but John was the one with money and connections. He could have told Patsy that she keeps her mouth shut about his son, or he'll throw her under the bus.
     
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  3. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    All excellent points.
    1. Joe Barnhill did change his story, but I bet he was pressured to do so.
    2. The Rs ALWAYS took lots of pictures and videos on Christmas- except THAT one. Many people think it is because JAR does appear in them. This is also one of the reasons why I believe JR got lawyers for both JAR and his mother. NO need for lawyers if JAR was really in Georgia with his mother. EVERY reason need a lawyer if he was really in Boulder. They main reason is that a lawyer can prevent prosecutors from asking questions. Or asking for photo evidence he was with his mother that day.
    3. Private planes don't have to file flight plans, so we will never know. Any testimony he might have has not been made public.
    4. Interesting bargaining point. I don't know of any one else who'd be allowed that kind of thing. The only reason is because they wanted to be sure JAR could not be questioned and they wanted to be sure Melinda could not be asked about the whereabouts of JAR that day.
    5. It was JAR's blanket and semen in his suitcase, but the book was a children's book. Was it his or did it belong to one of his younger siblings? If so, it was an odd thing to be carried back and forth to a college campus. The Rs claimed that suitcase was one that was used by JAR to go back and forth.
    6. Apparently, there WERE a lot of Monday visits to the school nurse. JAR went to school just minutes away. He had PLENTY of access to JB. If not daily, then certainly whenever he came home.
    7. I don't recall if Nedra or her husband had lawyers. Anyone know?
    8. The ATM pictures WERE grainy- and the guy in the photo had on a baseball cap that obscured his face. It really could have been anyone. It could have been someone he asked to go on his behalf AFTER the crime while he was still in Boulder and knew he needed a alibi. He could have called a friend in Georgia. There may have been an extra card he kept there, not too unusual if you spend a lot of time going back and forth between the two places- this way you don't have to worry about forgetting it.
     
  4. joeskidbeck

    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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    Excellent points all the way around DeeDee and eileen. As for Patsy being unwilling to cover for JAR, she would have if she was guilty of inflicting the head wound by mistake (meaning the bash was meant for JAR).
     
  5. joeskidbeck

    joeskidbeck Rest in Peace

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    Does anyone else think Mike Archuletta may have gotten a really big bonus that year? Unless I'm mistaken, Mike's wife has publically admitted that all the "extra" help he provided the Ramseys cost them their marriage.
     
  6. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    Interesting point about the "Monday morning school nurse visits". The school refused to provide JB's records (including the visits to the nurse) and the DA refused a warrant for them.
    When, in the case of one of their young students being murdered, has a school ever refused to provide the police with ANY and ALL records of the child, especially if it might help find the "real killer".

    Oh.....I forgot. They must have refused BECAUSE it might help find the "real killer".

    One of the signs of child abuse is when the child exhibits symptoms of genital discomfort on a MONDAY. True.
     
  7. Peepers

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    Didnt they find some proof that JAR and his girlfriend were at the Mpls airport during this time?
     
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  9. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    When Burke was going to be reinterviewd, CNN had an article about it and you could comment. This was one of the comments:

    I'm skeptical of people who claim to have a close/intimate connection to this case due to how notorious it is. However, the Ramseys did have neighbors so there are people out there who were friends with their neighbors so this post could be legitimate. Now if it's true, then why did the neighbor suspect JAR? If he or she was a friend of Patsy's, then they had probably met JAR on some occasions. Was there something they didn't like about him? Could this neighbor be Barnhill? It says, "Friend of Patsy's" though so that makes me think it's a woman. Maybe his wife? Was he a widower when JBR was murdered?

    Here's another tidbit about JAR, that I found on another forum, which was found on another forum so who knows how legitimate it is but I'll post it anyway:

    Here's some other info about JAR:


    And here's an email from JAR:

     
  10. DeeDee249

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    For what it's worth: My daughter was a senior in college in 1996. She was not in Boulder, but her boyfriend was a student at Boulder. She visited him that February, just 2 months after the murder. The case was still white hot there in Boulder. I wasn't into it then, but when my daughter got home she said that her boyfriend told her that many kids at the university (including him)- when the case hit the news the first person they thought of as far as who had done it was JAR. They thought he was "weird" and obsessed with his 6-year old half-sister. Not one of them hesitated or had second thoughts about who had done this.

    While many might believe that JAR may have friends, enemies or people who knew of him and his money (and I am SURE he bragged about that) and that one of them may have done this- it still doesn't explain the lack of intruder DNA anywhere else in the house or crime scene (apart from her clothing, which REAL experts have said that may not actually rule out the Rs at all if the sample is a mixed sample). It also doesn't explain the RN being in Patsy's handwriting or knowing the bonus amount. And it doesn't explain the family covering for a person like this, friend of JAR or not.
     
  12. cynic

    cynic Active Member

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    Some excerpts from IRMI and PMPT

    In the following days, we documented the whereabouts of John Andrew Ramsey on the night his little stepsister was killed. Although the family had been of minimal help, Gosage and I backtracked through interviews, records, friends, and associates to put him officially in the Atlanta-Marietta area, except for about six hours when he was presumably asleep at his mother’s home. Unless there was a far-reaching conspiracy or a Harrier jet in the backyard, he didn’t do it.

    also

    On the last day of the month, I wrote in an exhaustive report that “one can conclude John Andrew Ramsey’s whereabouts have been reasonably accounted for.” A few days later the city spokesperson announced that both John Andrew and his sister Melinda had been cleared of suspicion.
    JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation


    Detective Kim Stewart interviewed Melinda for almost two and a half hours. Detectives Ron Gosage and Steve Thomas questioned her brother from 6:00 to 8:00 P.M.
    Twenty-year-old John Andrew was obviously upset, but he was composed enough to explain that he was a student at CU and had been in Boulder until December 19. Then he had gone to Atlanta to spend the first part of his vacation with his mother, Lucinda Johnson, and his sister and friends. Then the plan was to continue his vacation with his sister, father, stepmother, and their children. He said his father had arranged to meet him and his sister in Minneapolis at about 10:30 A.M. on December 26, and from there they would all continue to the house in Charlevoix, Michigan.
    In the months that followed, the police would confirm that John Andrew, his mother, and her friend Harry Smiles had attended the Peachtree Presbyterian Church in Atlanta on Christmas Eve and that John Andrew had returned to his mother’s home at 1:00 A.M.
    Melinda, who worked at a hospital in Marietta, Georgia, finished her shift at about 7:00 A.M. on Christmas Day. That afternoon, John Andrew, Harry Smiles, Melinda, and her boyfriend, Stewart Long, exchanged gifts at Lucinda’s home in Marietta. In the afternoon they all went across the street to a neighbor’s for dinner.
    Melinda and Stewart Long left the dinner party about 7:00 P.M., and Melinda started to pack for an early flight the next day. At 9:00 they went to visit Guy Long, Stewart’s uncle, and after visiting other friends were home by midnight.
    At about 8:30 P.M., John Andrew went to his friend Brad Millard’s home in Marietta to play video games. After an hour, they left to catch a 10:30 show at the Town and Country Movie Theaters in Marietta with another friend, Chris Stanley.
    John Andrew said that after the movie he went back to Brad Millard’s house to get his car and arrived back at his mother’s house at 1:00 A.M. The next morning he left his mother’s house with Melinda, who had come there to pick him up. Together they boarded a flight to Minneapolis at 8:36 A.M. local time. That was forty-four minutes after Patsy called 911 to report that JonBenét was missing.
    Could John Andrew, with one or more of the friends who provided his and his sister’s alibis, have left Marietta, Georgia, flown to Boulder, Colorado, and returned in time to be seen by his sister’s boyfriend, Stewart Long, at about 6:15 A.M. when John Andrew and Melinda left for the airport?
    The police figured that John Andrew had a minimum of four and a half hours he could not account for—longer if he didn’t stay to see the entire movie. It would have been longer still if he never went to the theater but went to an airport instead. That scenario would give John Andrew almost nine hours to get from Marietta to Boulder and back. Until all airline and private plane flights were checked, John Andrew Ramsey would remain a suspect.

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    For seven weeks the police had been interviewing the Ramseys’ family, friends, and business associates without turning up any real suspects. They had finished their background checks on John Andrew and Melinda and had verified commercial airline schedules and private plane flight plans and found no record that either of them had traveled the night of December 25. Their alibis were solid. Besides the Ramseys, the only people apparently still under investigation were “Santa” Bill McReynolds and his wife, Janet; housekeeper Linda Hoffmann-Pugh; part-time reporter Chris Wolf; Bud Henderson, who owed $18,000 to Access Graphics; company executive Gary Merriman; and the Ramseys’ friends Fleet and Priscilla White.

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    Two and a half months after the Boulder police began investigating John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey, they received the final pieces of evidence that cleared Ramsey’s older children of any involvement in JonBenét’s murder. Bryan Morgan wrote to Detective Thomas on March 4 stating that John Andrew had made an ATM transaction at the QT Store on Roswell Road, in Marietta, Georgia, at 9:00 P.M. on December 25. His friend Brad Millard had been present. To support his claim, Morgan enclosed the ATM transaction slip. He also repeated that Melinda had awakened her brother in the early morning hours of December 26, in time for him to stop at a store and still make an 8:30 A.M. flight to Minneapolis. It was impossible for John Andrew to have flown from Atlanta to Boulder, whether by commercial or private aircraft, commit the murder, and return in time to be awakened by his sister in the presence of Brad Millard, who had stayed overnight in John Andrew’s room.
    Perfect Murder, Perfect Town
     
  13. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    That is very interesting about JAR. Were they more specific about how exactly JAR was acting obsessive towards JonBenet?

    Regarding JonBenet's school records, I wouldn't be surprised if her records are in some huge filing cabinet storage room somewhere. She wasn't in school that long ago; we're only talking 15 years not 80 years. But I also wouldn't be surprised if everyone else from the 1996-1997 school years records were available, but JBR's had "mysteriously" disappeared.

    (In Massachusetts, schools have to keep records for 60 years after a student graduates or leaves the school system. I'm not sure about Colorado).

    This might be a dumb question what would records have been computerized in 1996-97? Or was that much later?
     
  14. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    eileenhawkeye,

    In the context of JAR's obsession. Can I mention his stuff being dumped into the basement and the collection of photographs discovered in the basement whose subject was JonBenet.

    Could there be a link? I reckon there might be.


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  15. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    Okay, I found a website from the government of Colorado that looks to pertain to student records.

    It says:

    http://www.colorado.gov/dpa/doit/archives/rm/schools/
     
  16. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    So there you have it. This is an UNsolved murder. No statute of limitations. The school has to hold onto the records at least until the crime is solved.
    But I wonder if they got "lost" over the years. Accidentally destroyed in a flood or pipe burst or something. SO many ways to get rid of a hot potato like that.

    And interesting that in all these years, the school hasn't been forced to turn them over by ANY DA, including the new one.
    The "new" DA is really the "old" one, after all, I guess.
     
  17. OneLove

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    The above referenced email from JAR (post #8), is it known when that was written? It is pretty impressive, especially if it was written shortly after the "event" when he was only twenty years old. TIA
     
  18. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    From what I can find, it was written in 2001.
     
  19. OneLove

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    ok, so he had a few years to ponder on it, lol.

    In the same email, he mentioned Stewart 'getting his information' when in the car with him, Fleet, and his dad outside the house just after JBR's body was found, and them driving to the Fernies house.

    Do you know what "information" he was referencing?

    Is there a place this email can be found where it can be read in context in its entirety? Thanks for posting it. I had not seen it before.
     
  20. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Active Member

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    The R's later gave Mike their plane. I have no idea if it was because they could no longer afford it, or if it was for services rendered.
     

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