jon bonet ramsey not first by this serial killer

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  1. marc granger

    marc granger New Member

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    It is clear to me that this is the work of a serial satist prepudescent child killer. The absence of semen ,and or spermicidal lubricant from a condom indicate this was a foriegn object penetration. this being said, The primary motive for the crimes was not sex. Children that are abducted at this age are generaly the victem of a pedaphile who kills for the first time and are ussualy caught very quickly. This does not appear to be the case here. If we look at the so called ransom note you gain an insight into the mind of a serial killer:

    This serial killer seems to be preoccupied with violence towards children; he mentions violent acts toward Jon Bonet in the note repeatedly. Some one does'nt wake up one day and commit a crime like this; he has done this before. The olny other crime I am aware of that is similar to this is the abduction is and murder of jaqalyn dowiby of Midloathian Ilinois 1988. The cases are strikingly similar. The girls are the same age ,sex, and the M.O. is Identical.
     
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  3. Holdontoyourhat

    Holdontoyourhat Former Member

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    Valid observations.

    He mentions one act of violence never before heard of directed at a small child: execution by beheading. Never before heard of, at least around here.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/06/10/afghanistan.child.execution/index.html
     
  4. Stephani

    Stephani New Member

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    Does anyone know if there is a WS thread on Dowiby?
     
  5. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    I found a Jaclyn Dowaliby
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26413"]JonBenet Ramsey & Jaclyn Dowaliby - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
     
  6. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    DAVID DOWALIBY
    David Dowaliby was convicted of murder based solely on testimony that the Appellate Court found preposterous

    David Dowaliby in 2002. (Photo: Jennifer Linzer)

    David Dowaliby was convicted in 1990 of the murder of his adopted daughter, 7-year-old Jaclyn Dowaliby, solely on the basis of testimony by a man with a history of mental illness who claimed to have seen someone with a nose structure resembling Dowaliby's on the night the victim disappeared near where her body was found five days later.

    The witness, Everett Mann, who previously had been diagnosed as suffering from a bipolar disorder, made the purported identification from a distance of 75 yards in an unlighted parking lot on a moonless night.

    Dowaliby and his wife, Cynthia, biological mother of the victim by a prior marriage, both had been charged with the crime, based not only on Mann's testimony but also on what proved to be an erroneous assumption about the forensic evidence: Police and prosecutors incorrectly assumed that a window through which the Dowalibys contended an intruder had entered their home in Midlothian, Illinois, to abduct Jaclyn had been broken from the inside. That was not an irrational assumption because there was more glass outside than inside the home, but forensic analysis ultimately established positively that the window had been broken from the outside.

    Illinois State Police and the FBI also failed to investigate the principal alternative suspect in the case, a mentally ill relative, who offered a dubious alibi that witnesses who eventually came forward disputed.

    At the Dowalibys' 1990 jury trial, Cook County Circuit Court Judge Richard A. Neville granted a directed verdict of not guilty in Cynthia Dowaliby's case because there was no credible evidence against her. Neville allowed her husband's case to go to the jury, even though the only difference between the evidence against the two was the so-called “nose witness” testimony.

    In 1991, the Illinois Appellate Court reversed David Dowaliby's conviction outright, holding that the evidence against him had been no more probative than that against his wife. The appellate court also held that Assistant State's Attorneys Patrick O'Brien and George Velcich had committed reversible error during closing argument and that Neville had erred in allowing jurors to see gory crime scene and autopsy photographs.

    The Cook County State's Attorney's Office asked the Illinois Supreme Court to review the case, but the high court declined, thus ending the case in 1992.


    http://www.law.northwestern.edu/wrongfulconvictions/exonerations/ilDowalibySummary.html
     
  7. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    By Amy Lee

    Jaclyn's body was discovered Sept. 14, 1988 - four days after her abduction -lying a few feet from a Dumpster behind an apartment complex in Blue Island, about 4 miles from her home. A rope was wound twice around her neck, her bedroom comforter wrapped tight around her tiny decomposing body.

    No one has been held accountable for Jaclyn's murder, which shocked this sleepy suburban town of 14,000 and pitted neighbor against neighbor in the search to find her killer.

    A Cook County jury once convicted her father, David, but he was exonerated and set free after serving 18 months in Stateville prison in the early 1990s.

    Jaclyn's case sits cold, and evidence and transcripts from interviews given more 20 years ago sit untouched in 10 cardboard boxes in a Chicago warehouse. As the years stretched into decades, those involved in the case say there's little hope anyone will be held accountable for Jaclyn's murder.

    "There is no way to continue to investigate it, and the family is pretty much at peace because they think they know what happened," said Robert Byman, a partner in the Chicago law firm of Jenner & Block, which argued David Dowaliby's successful appeal.

    "Frankly, from the family's point of view, I'm not sure they have any interest in resurrecting anything. It's not something they want to be reminded about."

    News last month that serial killer Brian Dugan had confessed to killing Jeanine Nicarico in 1983 called the unsolved Dowaliby case to mind. The similarities between the two cases are compelling: Dugan broke into the Nicarico home during the day when Jeanine was home sick from school; he kidnapped, raped and killed her, and abandoned her body in a field.

    Dugan is not a suspect in the Dowaliby murder, but without a similar confession, those close to Jaclyn's murder case say early investigative missteps, a lack of DNA evidence and now-dead potential suspects and witnesses have frozen any real chance of solving the mystery of who killed Jaclyn Dowaliby.

    "I accept that police, for the most part, are not about to admit that they're wrong," David Dowaliby told Oprah Winfrey during a segment that aired June 17, 1993. "We called them for help, and they came and threw us in jail. They ruined our lives."

    David and his wife, Cynthia, declined to comment for this story. They changed their last name and moved out of Midlothian shortly after Jaclyn's murder.

    The couple, who also had a 4-year-old son at home when Jaclyn went missing, maintain their only sin was sleeping through the night when an intruder broke in and stole their daughter. Those close to the couple say they suspect a mentally ill relative kidnapped and killed Jaclyn.

    But police and prosecutors at the time - and to this day - maintain there was no intruder. The lead investigator on the case, Illinois State Police Capt. Daniel McDevitt, declined to speak with the SouthtownStar and referred questions to his former state police colleague Kevin Shaughnessey.


    "I doubt very seriously the people who were responsible for the death of Jaclyn will say so," said Shaughnessey, Lemont police chief and a former state police officer who in 1988 served an a special task force of local and state police and FBI agents created to solve Jaclyn's murder.

    Investigators maintain one or both parents killed Jaclyn, perhaps accidentally, and one helped the other to dispose of her body.


    [ame="http://www.crimeshots.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9892"]Jaclyn Marie Dowaliby - Crimeshots© True Crime Forums[/ame]
     
  8. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    Don't fall for these tactics, The David Dowaliby case!
    By Robert Leon Davis

    Man and his wife wrongfully accused of murder! Be careful with polygraphs!





    This case you’re about to read is a classic case of police detectives, prosecutors, and even FBI polygraphists going too far. It’s the case of David and Cindy Dowaliby, of Miolothian, Illinois. It was big news in the late 80’s, and is a case we can all learn from.



    On September 10, 1988, the couple’s child, a young female named Jaclyn, was found missing from the couple’s home upon them entering her room one morning. They searched frantically in their residence and the surrounding area and eventually notified police.



    As the detectives investigated, they noticed a broken window pane around the back side of the residence. Police begin to question the couple relentlessly, to the point that the couple began to feel uncomfortable…hence they were possible suspects. One of the reasons why they became suspects is because detectives on the scene surmised through their observation, that there was more broken glass located outside the window, than inside the residence. Believing that the glass was broken from the inside, the couple became suspects, especially the husband and father David.



    The couple’s daughter was eventually found four days later dead. The Dowaliby’s voluntarily submitted to a polygragh examination or test, and both passed it. Matter of fact, the test was reportedly passed with flying colors. Later, because police still suspected the husband, they asked him to submit to a second polygraph, which prove inconclusive. The strange thing about that second examination, is that the examiner asked the husband to intentionally lied, so that he could record what the machine would show upon knowing that he was lying. You know what question he wanted him to lie to? He wanted the husband to say that he in fact killed his daughter! Mr. Dowaliby flatly refused!



    Now partly because of the broken glass, police locking in on them, as well as his refusal to answer that strange question, police later charged the couple with murder. Mr. Dowaliby was found guilty (his wife was found innocent) and served 18 months in prison before being released. He was released because an appellate court agreed with the evidence that this man wasn’t guilty. Matter of fact, many reporters and journalists didn’t believe he was guilty as well, and began a publicity campaign to let the public know that police had the wrong man.



    Some of the reasons why he was freed? Well for one thing, remember the broken glass? Well come to find out, forensic analysts concluded that the glass was in fact broken from the outside! Another thing, imagine if Mr. Dowaliby would have done what the examiner suggested! The examiner asking him to lie was highly suspicious. In fact, that could have been used against him in court, especially if he had no witnesses (police detectives) that he in fact was only doing what the examiner asked him to do (or the detectives possibly present could have denied that it happened). Another thing, it was reported that the prosecution was bent on convicting him, and didn’t look at the possibility that someone else could have done the crime.



    There was soo many twist and turns in this case that I can’t go into the whole case, but in a nut shell, police detectives became soo lock in and sure that the couple was responsible that they refuse to consider their innocence! Mr. Dowaliby refusal to lie probably was the one thing that saved his life! Another thing, polygraphs are inadmissible by every court in America, so why should you take it? That was a mistake he made in the beginning, trying soo hard to prove his innocence! Imagine if he had failed the test? I have no doubt they would have used that against him in court, no doubt!



    In conclusion, three tips. Don’t take a polygraph test ever, they’re simply not accurate, as well as being inadmissible at trial.



    Tip two, never, ever, sign anything placed in front of you that police say is some sort of test. In other words, if you didn’t commit the crime, why say you did?



    Tip three, and understand this with a certainty.

    Whenever someone close to you (girlfriend, child, wife, etc) is found murdered, detectives will automatically look at your participation right from the beginning. It is a known fact that statistically, most people who are murdered “know” the killer, but the problem is that soo many detectives take this as gospel, and once they lock in on you, they don’t want to hear nothing else. You’re not a statistic though, so the moment you feel that the police are focusing on you, and you’re innocent, shut up and get an attorney.



    :clap:



    http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewArticle.asp?id=46252
     
  9. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    Serial killers by their definition have more than one victim. Any evidence of other victims of JB's "serial killer"?

    Actually, child pedophile serial killers usually do much more damage than was done to JB, and are not too concerned with hiding or covering the body. And they don't write ransom notes. This RN indicated that the author was familiar with the family (an understatement). Not usually behavior associated with serial killers. If JB was a one-time event, then obviously "serial killer" does not apply.
    As for the other case, it is best discussed on a board dedicated to that case. Every case s different, and iMO, JB's case is unique.
     
  10. marc granger

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    serial killers commonly comunicate with police and media. cases in point:

    the btk killer

    the zodiac killer
     
  11. DeeDee249

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    Right. And in JB's case there was no communication with the media. Serial killers like to taunt the media and LE. It's part of the pleasure they take in committing the crime. The ones that want to get caught usually do.
     
  12. Mastermind

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    Didn't BTK and Zodiac write their letters...after they committed their crimes?
     
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    DeeDee249 New Member

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    Yes. And they weren't ransom notes.
     
  14. Mastermind

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    Yes, they were specifically venomous taunt letters which boasted their genius at not getting caught.
     
  15. Mastermind

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    If you really think about, a serial killer is the default theory for unsolved murder cases.

    1.Basically, any unsolved murder could be theorized as being the act of a serial killer.

    Any murder could be linked to other murders by the vaguest connection.

    Think about how many murders people have tried to connect to Zodiac.

    Think about how many murders could fit into Gary Ridgeway's M.O?

    2. Wouldn;t this "serial killer" have repeated his signature at least one other time?

    Why haven't we found a child murder with a ransom note?
    Why haven't we found a strangulation using items from the victims's home?
     
  16. Sophie

    Sophie New Member

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    JB was not killed by a serial killer. She *may* (but I doubt) have been killed by an intruder who was known to the family (and if she was, I believe I could name the intruder) but nothing supports the idea that she was killed by a serial killer and all sorts suggests that she wasn't. In terms of J Dowaliby, does anyone seriously ?

    Hi, DeeDee - miss ya, luv ya.xxx
     
  17. Mastermind

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    1.This serial killer couldn't be that preoccupied with violence toward children.
    After all...he didn't murder Burke Ramsey.

    2. There's nothing really that violent about the ransom note. He justs mentions acts that would be done to Jonbenet Ramsey....if they don;t get paid. The things you would normally expect in a ransom note.

    The letter writer doesn;t go into detail about how he's going to molest her and shove things in her and make her his sex slave

    He doesn;t go into length about how he's going to drink her blood while performing cunnilingus on her.

    You would think that a sadist would go more into detail about his violent acts to children....in a THREE PAGE LONG RANSOM NOTE!!!

    This ransom note would be rated PG-13 not R.
     
  18. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    I know you're gonna jump and scream coincidence,not related,I just thought this would be an interesting read.


    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/24/grace.coldcase.mirack/index.html?fbid=C47_FGh_cys

    On December 21, 1992,

    Mirack, who was 25, had been strangled, beaten and raped,
    There was no sign of forced entry, and an object from inside the home was used in the beating,


    Many were cleared by DNA testing,


    But to this day, investigators keep an eye on a few people,


    friends and colleagues described Mirack as an all-American girl.
    Blonde...
     
  19. DeeDee249

    DeeDee249 New Member

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    It is NOT related, of course. And only one similarity. Both victims were blonde, that's it. JB was not raped. Her sexual assault may have been staged to cover sexual molestation. Big difference there. BIG difference when a child is found dead in her own home by a parent and when an adult is found dead in her home. This poor woman KNEW her attacker, most likely, and if not, she was followed home by someone or met someone and invited them home. With a 6-year old girl, we have to eliminate the last two.
    This woman was raped, so there is semen as DNA tied to the crime. Even with THAT, if the donor was identified, they (or rather their defense attorneys) would try to say that they had consensual sex, then someone else killed her after they left.
    With JB, we have DNA, but not in the form of semen. Random rogue DNA on her clothing, not on her body or anywhere else in the crime scene or the house.
    I see nothing that would even remotely make me think of this case except that it has not yet been solved. There are MANY, many more like it, too, unfortunately.
     
  20. madeleine

    madeleine New Member

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    Of course,of course,I forgot you know who the killer is,my mistake.What's the point of bringing new subjects up around here anyway.

    And re sexual molestation and chronic abuse,it was ST who started this bs like he did with everything else.

    ST,pg 166

    "He (Meyer) was unsure whether the cause was infection ,digital manipulation ,lying in urine,or even the very unlikely event of self-manipulation.It was consistent with penile penetration,but chronic vaginal abuse was a possibility,Meyer said."

    As far as I know possibility is not = with FACT.

    "I was struck by the word chronic,which would indicate prior abuse."


    :rolleyes: In your biased ,incompetent mind,of course it indicates that.You forgot about the "just a possibility" part.

    And you are talking about others taking things out of context and forcing it into their theories.
    You take a word,sew an entire fantasy story around it and case closed,PDI.Shameful.
     
  21. SuperDave

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    Just keep two things in mind, maddy:

    1) This exchange happened before the possibility was expanded upon by the specialists. (Unless you think ST brainwashed them, too.)

    2) What purpose would it serve for him to start it, since it didn't really figure into his theory, anyway? Moreover, are you suggesting that the possibility should not have been followed up on?
     

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