A couple of points:-tipper said:She's a former friend of the Ramseys. Knew them in Atlanta, then they all ended up in Boulder. Quite a good photographer. They fell out when Susan Stine was acting as Patsy's doorman. Also she was upset when the Ramsey lawyers wrote and told her she couldn't sell any photos she had of Patsy and JonBenet. She was in tight with the Enquirer for a while and sold them photos she'd taken of Patsy and JonBenet. Eventually she divorced the Atlanta husband and married Tom Miller. She thinks Patsy killed JonBenet. According to Frank Coffman who was once her friend in Boulder (he posted as Masked Man):
Posted by MaskedMan on May-04-00 at 11:19 AM (EST)
Steve Thomas presents many unsourced and uncorroborated stories.
On page 5, he presents the improbable story that JonBenet was chilly at a restaurant, but Patsy wouldn't let her put on a jacket
because "You're still on show." Steve Thomas didn't identify his source, but I know that this is one of Judith Phillips' urban
legends.
When I aksed Judith about where and when this episode happened, she said that she didn't know and that she didn't see it
herself. She said someone else had seen it. I asked her, "Who saw it?" She wouldn't tell me. So, this is just an unverified
third-hand rumor.
Judith has done this repeatedly. She's lied to me about what she supposedly knows. She would claim to have first-hand
knowledge about something, but then she'd change her story when I tried to pin her down. For instance:
Judith told me that Priscilla White had told her that John Ramsey tried to discourage Fleet White from entering the wine cellar
room on Dec. 26, 1996. I believed that story for a long time. She was the source for a story to that effect in the National
Enquirer of April 1997. When I found out later that that never happened, I asked Judith how Priscilla could have been so wrong
about that. Then, Judith admitted that, uh, well, she didn't hear the story directly from Priscilla, but from someone else...
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The Patsy Letters were before my time. They were a series of emails supposedly written by Patsy. My understanding is they were not from Patsy but there is still much controversy about who might have actually written them. Jameson has been suggested - she denies it. Susan Stine has also been proposed. If you dig around you can find info on them.
Jayelles said:A couple of points:-
As photographer, Judith Phillips OWNED the rights to the photographs she took of the Ramseys. She was entitled to do what she liked with them.
Quite frankly, I'm surprised Tipper has used a Coffman quote to provide "information" about Judith Phillips (although I'm sure she has her reasons!). IMO, Frank Coffman is NOT a reliable source of information. He used to be a member here and many of us personally witnessed his histrionics and hissy fits.
Frank Coffman is the poster who said that Burke was gay (he was about 12 years old at the time). I think that about sums him up.
You mean that's worse than saying he murdered his sister or has Aspergers syndrome?Jayelles said:[...]
Frank Coffman is the poster who said that Burke was gay (he was about 12 years old at the time). I think that about sums him up.
Yes I do. Put it this way - I'd like to know the basis for HIS statement.tipper said:You mean that's worse than saying he murdered his sister or has Aspergers syndrome?
Jayelles said:Is BC suggesting FC has first hand knowledge of a 12 year old's sexuality?
I remember she wished him a pox on his peckerBlueCrab said:Of course not. I was referring to the evidence and to the behaviors of the people in the case. Right or wrong, Coffman told it straight out and forcefully as he saw it. I remember at one point jameson offered MM free membership if he'd come over and post on her forum. He tried it and quit in disgust as jameson apparently tried to edit his posts.
Toltec said:".....
Remember that it was Frank Coffman and Judith Phillips who took pictures down in the Ramsey basement....Can anyone tell me how he got access?"
Jayelles, that may be the way it works in the UK, but it is not the way it works here.Jayelles said:A couple of points:-
As photographer, Judith Phillips OWNED the rights to the photographs she took of the Ramseys. She was entitled to do what she liked with them.
I think she did sign a release. But I suspect she didn't give it much thought at the time.Seeker said:Jayelles, that may be the way it works in the UK, but it is not the way it works here.
Judith did not arbitrarily own the rights to Patsy & JonBenet's images, even if she was the photographer. If Patsy didn't sign a release then Judith didn't have the right to do as she liked with the photo's and could have been sued over selling them.
Unless Judith had a written Work-For-Hire agreement up front with Patsy delineating the photos could never be used without Patsy's permission, then Judith owned all of the rights to all photos she took, and she could do anything she pleased with them.Seeker said:Jayelles, that may be the way it works in the UK, but it is not the way it works here.
Judith did not arbitrarily own the rights to Patsy & JonBenet's images, even if she was the photographer. If Patsy didn't sign a release then Judith didn't have the right to do as she liked with the photo's and could have been sued over selling them.
How was it "morally wrong"? Bottom line was that Judith Phillips is a photographic artist. She makes a living from taking photos and from what I've seen, she's pretty darned good (I guess that's a BORG opinion). The photographs that Judith took of the ramseys weren't exactly the usual family-type portraits. They were ART! They were more akin to a model shoot. They dressed up and assumed the poses as instructed by Judith.tipper said:I think she did sign a release. But I suspect she didn't give it much thought at the time.
What Phillips did was morally wrong. She knew the Ramseys wanted the pictures kept private and went ahead and sold them anyway. She did it because she could fully knowing it would cause pain. In my book that is wrong.
Added: As I look through her interview with Mame, Phillips claims copyright but I haven't found a release mentioned yet. Have to go pick up my son now. Will check further when I get home.