Jury Selection Begins

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Here is a video of Coleman being escorted into jury selection. It has some shots of court house and maybe even K of C hall

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...b-a816-5e09-9539-5ba8d2b569ac.html?mode=video

Quite honestly, I never expected this. I thought Coleman, being the "Christian" that he proposed himself to be, would fall on his sword. Why on earth is he making the family, friends and public go through this. We all know what the outcome is going to be.

MOO

Mel
 
Would this be the quote you are talking about?

"A retired woman was asked whether she could consider both life in prison as well as the death penalty if there's a conviction. She said, "If he dies, he has to face his God and if he lives, he has to face himself." Then she looked the suspect right in the eyes and said quote "I don't know that he did it. I hope to God that he did not."

http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-po...coleman-murder-trial-20110412,0,1689598.story
 
Thanks CCup...that quote might be what Hayes was referencing. Thanks!
 
Okay...

I found the Knights of Columbus hall and some "church bells."

Here is a video I had not seen of yesterday... Seeing the video helped me locate the hall at the northeast corner of "N. Gordon St." and "Clinton St." The building is a mustard type color, it appears. There is a church with a bell tower (I think) which is just a couple of buildings south of the hall (just south of Clinton st.) There is also a church with a bell tower (I think) located at the corner of N. Gordon and E. Jackson.

Looks like we have the "setting" so far...
 
Wrinkles, sorry it took awhile to get back here, it's been a long day
standard stair riser and stair well handrail height is around those parts

I believe risers can be between 4"-8", railing height between 30"-34" from the front edge of the tread. If it makes any difference treads are usually 10"-12".

I thought it odd they would transport jurors both ways everyday. So will the travel time be included as the trial time? Hmmm how to write this. If the 'day' at the courthouse is typically 9am-3pm will they leave Perry Co at 9am or 8am?
Will court go until 3pm or only 2pm because they have an hour travel? Just wondering how this could add many days to the trial.
 
Thank you for those links and all the other great info you've been digging up for us Wrinkles! :blowkiss:

And :tyou: to everyone really! We have a good group here ready for justice! I still can't believe Coleman didn't cop a plea.

I know. Other then a videotape of the actual act there couldn't be any more evidence against him.
 
Hallo All,

Yes Kimster...I was thinking about the "...what did they do wrong?" comment by one of the prospective jurors. Adults, I believe, think of one another as being on some type of equal level (maybe they were fighting, i.e. what do we really know about their relationship, "takes two to tango" type of excuse for the inexcuseable), but... There is no doubt whatsoever that children are "in our care" and to be "protected" by we adults. So, while there is a mentality, I think, about adults "tussling" and maybe some people stretch to believe that there could be reason (gads) -- just what the heck kinda excuse would a man have to murder two sleeping children, not one, but two. Were they in trouble at school daily and driving their parent to a brink? Was the parent struggling to feed them and depressed. Did the kids misbehave on a daily basis, or were they ill and straining the heartstrings and time of a parent? There are frustrations that are no reason to kill a child, yet a frustrated parent can do wrong as a result. But two children? Two sleeping, entirely vulnerable children?

None of those frustratons apply here...there is no excuse to even consider outside of a man who wanted a chick and another life and that is no excuse. So, the guy plots, lies up a storm through the plotted letters, hangs out with his chick, dreams up his new life (one that he deludes himself that he will have when he erases his old one), then mercilessly and cowardly snuffs out the life of two sleeping children AND their mother.

Chris was/is such a coward; you can almost bet he killed the mother first, the one who would fiercely defend her children. He didn't want any difficulty in snuffing the children, you can just feel it in the way he did things. He just went off into his idiotic space world and started erasing the lives that were in the way of his lust for sex and money. Had to be money too, because he could have supported both families, he could have left Sheri and the boys and sent alimony and child support. That wouldn't work for him, he wanted that support money to entertain his girl and himself, you can count on it.

IF there is any truth to the so-called "he would lose his job if he divorced" thing, so big deal. IF you are valuable and no coward, go get a job elsewhere if that is the case, take your chick, abandon your wife and kids but do your duty with support.

Chris lusted for chick and money and there is no way around it. He didn't want his job "because he liked" working for JM, he wanted it because it was easy money for someone who really had nothing going for them, a loser. IF he "liked working for her," he would never have used her facilities to set up his lies, his work computer and bandwidth to create those letters, make this a plot around someone who had something against her, tying her name into this in any way at all... How he did what he did told me that he loathed JM and the whole ministry thing, he just wanted the big bucks. He loathed the "rules," so he had no respect for the rule maker. He broke the rules by fooling around with his chick while on company paid trips -- nah, he didn't like his job and want to keep it for any other reason but the big bucks. In effect, he was stealing from that ministry by his actions. Break the rules, yet keep the job...foul! Everything about Chris was a foul and foul -- a totally dishonorable self-centered man. The only thing right and good about him were his wife and children.

All the above to say, I understand that which surrounds the thoughts of that prospective juror, "Why murder children? What did they do wrong?" I mean, surely you don't just murder for the sake of murdering? Someone had to have done you wrong to deserve being murdered, right? (hypothetical to toss out thoughts of some)

So it looks like 16 jurors submitted answers, 6 were dismissed "for cause." More will be gone through, Nick reports, "The prosecution and defense each has 14 peremptory challenges, the legal term for the right to reject a jury candidate without explanation. They used none so far."

Evidently Chris is locking eyes with some of the prospective jurors... Now, for those jurors who locked eyes with Chris and were dismissed, I bet they almost burned their skin off when they got home -- trying to wash off the evil they brushed against in that court room. No doubt, some of those who aren't even picked might need to talk to a counselor after being in the presence of Chris.
 
One of the excused jurors answered questions for only about two minutes before he was dismissed.

"I didn't want to be here in the first place," the juror stated. "I don't want any part of that."

But the four other jurors were dismissed on the basis of their views on the death penalty.

"I don't believe anyone should take a life but God," said Juror 20, the last potential juror questioned on Tuesday. She was excused for cause.

Juror 14 replied that he felt that the death penalty is the only appropriate sentence for someone who is found guilty of first-degree murder.

The other 10 potential jurors said if Coleman was guilty, they could consider either sentence as punishment -- death or life in prison.

"If he gets the death penalty, he has to face his God. If he gets life in prison, he has to face himself in the mirror everyday," said Juror 11.

http://www.bnd.com/2011/04/13/1669125/five-potential-jurors-excused.html
 
Hallo All,

First Hockey (AKA BlueNotes?), thanks for responding... Hope you recuped from your long day yesterday? Thanks for the info on the stair rails etc. I want to revisit playing with that info and the picture of the spray paint again, measuring some things. I've kinda figured the police will have done a thorough study on the height of a person who did that spray painting though -- at least I hope they did.

Second... So there appears to be some confusion about the 100 question questionnaire that the jurors had to fill out. Gee whiz (gads, cripes) -- your head would be swimming at the end of 100 questions, wouldn't it? According to the article at the previous link:

>>"The defense appears to be worried that if Coleman was to be found guilty, of three counts of first-degree murder, that a jury member that supports the death penalty would automatically sentence Coleman to death without hearing arguments from the defense about life in prison as an alternate option."<<

Now this is very curious... Just how much does a jury have to commit to? They commit to hear the evidence and weigh it. Do they have to commit to listening to and "considering" some argument about what to do with a bird once he is found guilty? Is that part of the deal? The jurors are forced to sit through the penalty phase, they have to continue to hear the defense whether they like it or not. If they hear something that is reasonable to them, so be it.

Oh yes sir, I will listen to your argument -- and I will take it in light of what I heard you argue when you were defending this guy and before I made my decision about the facts. If the defense "appears to be worried" then they should consider how they "appear" to the jurors during the trial, whether they appear believable at all.

I'd love to see that questionnaire. The judge was quoted:

>>"The judge told the lawyers that the questionnaire "has become an issue...supposed to be an assistance not a hindrance."<<

What was in the place of that ellipsis? I hope the judge puts his foot down... You had plenty of time to write up your questions for the questionnaire, that's done. If you confused the jurors, you confused them. If you want a point blank answer, then ask them a point blank question now and let's move on.

Oh Hockey...before I forget. My guess is that the jurors will have to be ready and on a bus at about 8AM in the morning UNLESS there is a trial time set for that. My guess would be that they would have to be on it an hour or so earlier under those circumstances. I don't think they will shorten the court time for the transportation, but I could be wrong on that.

This is interesting:

>>"The jurors were told it will be a five week commitment to the case. Two weeks were estimated to be spent on jury selection and three others for the trial."<<

Five weeks? Hmmm...
 
"Children ...what did they do wrong?" A male juror asked. "It's beyond wild imagination to even think why somebody would do that."<snipped>

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_c4d21a5b-a816-5e09-9539-5ba8d2b569ac.html

I have to pause with this comment here. I understand what the potential juror is saying, but for crying out loud! Sheri didn't deserve this either, no matter WHAT she did!

I can understand the potential juror's comment also, in the context that Wrinkles also addressed, relating to the equality of two adults, possibly fighting, vs. a parent who is supposed to love and nurture his children, killing those two defenseless children, most likely while they were asleep. I believe this is one of the most egregious acts a parent could commit, and probably struck this potential juror the same way. I don't believe it meant Sheri's life was any less valuable than the children. :) MOO
 
According to this video...

Of 30 jurors, 11 excluded. They have asked another 80 to come in so that they can keep on with this and find a big enough pool from which to pick.

Jurors are having to sit one seat away from Coleman and this is making a number of them feel uncomfortable. One juror evidently didn't want to be near him or look him in the eyes, she had heard the news and felt he was guilty but said that if she had to, she would hear the evidence and make a decision based upon it.

So why are they making these people sit near an "alleged" murderer during jury selection? Chris' "person" should not be anywhere near the potential juror's body space in my opinion. Upon what premise are they allowing this? Has this ever been done before?

I wouldn't want to be a prospective juror sitting anywhere near anyone whose case I might be hearing even if it was just for a traffic violation being fought. Aside from that, I would no more want to sit within 20 feet of Chris Coleman than I would Charles Manson.
 
Is there a link for the video, Wrinkles, or is it in an earlier post? I'd like to watch!
 
I think they have to let him face the jury during the selection process? I'll ask one of our attorneys to be sure.
 
I think they have to let him face the jury during the selection process? I'll ask one of our attorneys to be sure.

I also believe that's one of a defendant's rights. I am curious if he's that close because it's a small courtroom?
 
Is the jury selection process open to the public??
 
Here's a comment from someone on Caylee's forum: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6333386&postcount=1207"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Legal Questions for Our VERIFIED Lawyers #2[/ame]
 
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