just the Facts

Discussion in 'Long Island Serial Killer' started by the quiet girl, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. the quiet girl

    the quiet girl Inactive

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    Can we have a list of only the facts confirmed by police listed here since we have a rumor thread?
    With all of the valid theories as a community I have read its hard to go back and separate them.
    thanks
     
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  3. Reannan

    Reannan Seek Brotherhood, Cherish Solitude

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    Here is a fact that I find interesting: the first 4 bodies were not buried - they were "covered" in burlap and placed on top of the ground. The Manorville victims were also on top of the ground, some of the body parts were in black garbage bags but not buried. SG's body was on top of the ground. For what it is worth, the AC victims were on top of the ground, but may not be related. Fact: The SK does not like to bury his victims, or even go to any elaborate attempts to hide them.
     
  4. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    Just a suggestion: Let's provide msm links for each fact we post. It's helpful to have those links located in one place, and it also avoids debate. :)
     
  5. the quiet girl

    the quiet girl Inactive

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    I guess I should post something there are just so many out there.
    In my head I had envisioned at home making documents of the time line, that is not happening. I am on a borrowed computer for now, till mine comes back.

    So here is a recap of the events so far and maybe someone can post the facts of each victim in a post when they can if so inclined? I will try and do the same.

    December 13, 2011 Skeletal remains found.

    December 17, 2011 Confirmed remains are Shannan Gilbert.
     
  6. Redbird

    Redbird New Member

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    Was it sneakers or ballet shoes that were found? Don't mean to be picky, but the items they say they found are important to compare to other witnesses accounts of what Shannan had with her that night and what people say she was wearing. So far we had strappy heels, boots, and ballet shoes. If you add sneakers that's a lot of shoes for her to be carrying around. Especially since GC says he did not see her with a purse or bag.
     
  7. Reannan

    Reannan Seek Brotherhood, Cherish Solitude

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    12/11/2010: The Suffolk County police officer who found the first body was 59 year old officer John Mallia, a 31-year veteran of the Suffolk County Police Department and a former private investigator. He and his 7 year old dog, Blue, a German shepherd, have worked together since 2005. The first body was discovered on 12/11/2010.

    12/13/2010: "Two days later, Officer Mallia and Blue returned to the area in the morning to help homicide investigators collect evidence. But about 500 feet from the first body, the officer found a second body wrapped in burlap. Officer Mallia made that discovery alone, since Blue was still in the car."

    "By 1:20 p.m. that December day, the officer and Blue had recovered two more bodies."

    Source:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/18/n...bodies-key-role-for-officer-and-dog.html?_r=1
     
  8. the quiet girl

    the quiet girl Inactive

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    I want to find all the reports of her clothing that she has been reported to have worn that night. I shall try tomorrow night to place it all in one post. It is odd.
     
  9. Dwntwnslim

    Dwntwnslim Former Member

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    @ The Quiet Girl

    Thanks for making this thread! It was so needed.
     
  10. waltzingmatilda

    waltzingmatilda Verified Insider-Roy Moore

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    NEW YORK-- Police say a second man had been partying with missing Craigslist sex worker Shannon Gilbert the night she disappeared from a Long Island, N.Y., beach community where a serial killer is suspected to have buried his victims, the New York Post reports.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/0...ork-prostitute/?test=latestnews#ixzz1iOsGay00


    *Police confirm that Brewer is NOT a suspect.

    *Police are investigating a POSSIBLE link between the AC4 and the GB4.

    *The FBI is NOT involved in the investigation according to FBI media spokesperson Tim Flannnelly.

    *The 2nd man at Brewers the night Shannan disappeared has not been identified and his mother stated he went somewhere in Georgia. He is 48 yrs old.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/0...-missing-new-york-prostitute/?test=latestnews

    Great thread the quiet girl! Thanks!
     
  11. the quiet girl

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    This Article States What Shannan Wore The Last night She was Seen Alive:
    1. Tight Jeans
    2. Low Cut Black Tank
    3. Brown Leather Jacket
    4. Changed into Dark Leather Boots
    5. Had on Black Strap Sandals
    6. Silver Hoop Earrings


    This Article States What Items of Shannan's Were Found
    1. Pocket Book Containing Shannan's ID
    2. Lipgloss
    3. Cell Phone
    4. Tattered Jeans
    5. Ballet Flat Style Shoes


    It was reported on JJ's Field Notes Blog that Gus Coletti stated she was wearing a white tank blouse when she was at his steps asking for help. That link is now unavailable. I am not sure how a source of blog is viewed. When they include an interview I see it as having more weight, imo.


    Edit To Add:
    on one article of JJ's here during an interview he states, She was wearing a tank top no color mentioned.
    so ignore the white tank blouse comment till I find that article, ty
    Here is that article of Gus Coletti stating she was wearing a light colored tank, this is why I thought we needed a facts only thread. It is easy to misinterpret or remember the wrong person with the wrong article .
    1. 5 am Shannan Reported Wearing Light Colored Tank

    Please add more with links to this post if you are able too, thank you!
     
  12. the quiet girl

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    Stated here that in April 2011 advanced aerial search was performed, nothing was stated to be found in April.
     
  13. Redbird

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    Witness accounts are not facts. Almost all the witnesses in this case are lying and covering up the facts. That includes the authorities. Too many people are unable to understand this, so I believe this thread just causes more confusion.
     
  14. waltzingmatilda

    waltzingmatilda Verified Insider-Roy Moore

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    Redbird, I agree that everyone in this case is lying and covering up facts. And I mean Ev. Ry. One.! JMO and I have no concrete evidence to back this up.

    But at this point in time, confirmed statements thru msm from authorities is all we have to go on and i feel it is important to document for future comparison/reference.

    The players' accounts of the night Shannan disappeared seems to change with the tides....

    mwm
     
  15. the quiet girl

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    I dont think, obviously this will lead to more confusion. I was thinking more in line with documenting things in one place as a reference.
    Now it can be debated what is a fact and things may not be proven so till a court deems it so?
    idk anyway I like this
     
  16. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    I don't agree that everyone is lying and/or covering up facts. Some people are simply genuinely mistaken. All the more reason to have this thread, imo.

    The rule of thumb, according to WS rules, is that we should consider it fact if it's verifiable via msm. Now, obviously, there is bad reporting (in this case particularly), but if several msm sources state something as a fact, I see absolutely no reason to debate it's validity.

    All MOO, of course.
     
  17. Reannan

    Reannan Seek Brotherhood, Cherish Solitude

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    I think it will be enormously helpful to have what "facts" we can gather here in one thread. The timeline that The Quiet Girl posted was great! Saved me a lot of work because I had been planning on doing that. :crazy: I am going to try and avoid things that don't seem concrete, but there is still a lot of information that we can post here.
     
  18. the quiet girl

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    I know everyone here have plenty of good info. I wanted to do this at home but, noway could I. So I am borrowing you guys by helping me do it together.
    So thankful to everyone here, honestly. Thank god for you guys gathering and keeping this story alive.
     
  19. Reannan

    Reannan Seek Brotherhood, Cherish Solitude

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    Fact: Amber Lynn Costello - Received "several" phone calls from her "date" on September 2, 2010. She was promised the "unusually high amount of $1500.00" for the date. She typically used her roommate's ("DS") phone to make dates as a "safety measure" and he seems to have been pretty savvy to where she was, and what she was up to, i.e. "in call" vs. "out call". After several phone calls, Amber felt comfortable enough with the SK to leave that night around 10:30 p.m. She was only wearing a pink hoodie and jeans. What kind of $1500.00 date requires you to show up in a pink hoodie and jeans? :waitasec: Amber was NEVER REPORTED MISSING by the roommate or her sister, who was 'close' with her. Why???

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-serial-killer-a-victims-roommate-speaks.html
     
  20. scandi

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    Hi Reannan, About Officer Matilla and Blue, I think there is something else they discovered as well as those 3 bodies. It would be nice to include it here and for the life of me can't r4emember now what it was.

    Did they discover either SG's belongings or remains?

    Is this officer ripe for some sleuthing? So odd,his timely discoveries IMO
     
  21. Reannan

    Reannan Seek Brotherhood, Cherish Solitude

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    Hey Scandi!! This same officer also discovered the body of Nicole Tessa on 12/21/2010 - shortly after she went missing - two days, I believe?? She had only been married for a short period of time (four months???) and her husband looks good for her case. In any case, I do not think it is involved with the LISK.... just intersting that Officer Mallia and his amazing dog have found so many bodies!!! I think I would like both of them if I met them in RL. As a Ws'er , nothing is off of the table for me. :)

    http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/a-look-at-four-unsolved-suffolk-homicides-1.2700033
     

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