K.J.L.B and S.B.T.C theory by Bluecrab

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  1. Rupert

    Rupert Former Member

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    I give credit to Bluecrab for his sharp eyes on this one. This theory really strikes a deep chord with me. It has been said by many on various forums that the periods in S.B.T.C could be separators. The Case of the Missing Period after C suggests that this might be the reason.

    The last post by the APAC at UofC in April 1997 was by "K.J.L.B Groups". Bluecrab wondered if the period separated the names of countries (Korea, Bhuttan, Laos,...). Likewise BC wondered if S.B.T.C was a group also. After all, "We are a group of ..." was a rather overdone, strange introduction.

    I've lost the thread on BC's full theory, but here is the starter and perhaps BC can help us out further:
    http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4896&page=1&pp=25

    I've got a strong feeling about this one. The university age group fits with someone who watched and was immersed in kidnap crime movies.
     
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  3. Nehemiah

    Nehemiah Active Member

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    Wondering if there's any way to merge this theory and Sissi's theory that involves Churchill? That would be an interesting combination, and maybe possible.
     
  4. BlueCrab

    BlueCrab New Member

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    Rupert,

    I too have a strong feeling that APAC members could be involved somehow in the killing of JonBenet. APAC at Boulder, a pro-active liberal political group, suspiciously shut down immediately following the murder. One of its 29 members, 21-year-old NI, was a close friend of the Ramseys and regularly drove Burke and JonBenet to school. NI, in his last year at CU, lived at the Stine's house and was Doug's caregiver. He wasn't even known to the cops until the Atlanta interviews in 2000, and I doubt if APAC and NI have been properly investigated and interviewed to this day.

    BlueCrab
     
  5. Rupert

    Rupert Former Member

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    Bluecrab,
    If it wasn't RDI, then I think the perp did it for a premeditated poltical reason and had the inside on the R's. I think the RN was a message. "We do respect your bussiness (kissiness) but not the country (Little Miss America) that it serves." In other words, we know you love your daughter but we have a message and as a symbol she is unfortunately chosen. Since it was a message, then it was written in code (so as to hide their identity S.B.T.C from most of us), just like "K.J.L.B Groups" is no doubt a code too. Coincidence? - this one is too strong.

    The perp might have been hyped up on drugs while watching Nick of Time that night and couldn't help but infuse his favorite hobby, watching the movies. The perp is vengeful and wants to gain control and thus takes pleasure instructing John just the way that the father was in Nick of Time. The thought made me wonder if the R's received some other instructions which they could not tell about. After all, there were some missing sheets. Perhaps that's why they became so defensive. Speculation and I know you have your own ideas.

    I don't think enough thinking has been done yet on this case and the BPD should definitely check this out.
     
  6. BlueCrab

    BlueCrab New Member

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    Rupert,

    I agree that S.B.T.C on the ransom note and K.J.L.B on APAC's abandoned website should be considered more than just a mere coincidence. Investigators who write off stuff like that as a coincidence are either wearing blinders or are part of the obvious coverup that has been playing out for nine years now.

    The two identically phrased sets of initials as sign-offs are linked to JonBenet's murder by NI's close personal association with JonBenet and his membership in APAC.

    JonBenet, a privileged and beautiful white female from a conservative family and a symbol of what America stands for, versus APAC, a proactive liberal political group whose members seek justice for perceived unsolved crimes and discrimination against Asian-American women, was not a good mix.

    However, in this theory a Ramsey must also be included as a suspect along with an APAC member because of the intense Ramsey coverup of the crime. In this theory an APAC member had to have been the fifth person in the house that night, probably let in by BR. A preteen boy could have accompanied the APAC member into the house. The missing crimescene evidence walked out of the house with them in the middle of the night, most likely around 3:00 AM.

    BlueCrab
     
  7. Rupert

    Rupert Former Member

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    Bluecrab,
    Check your private email.
     
  8. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    Well after amusing myself with variations on the APAC's members initials being paired, then Kanji abbreviations, then pinyin variations, closest was a dried food company situated in china.

    Applying some common sense, I arrived at an interpretation of "K.J.L.B Groups" which may constitute the Korean Japanese Laotian and Burmese ethnic groupings.


    I have another that goes Kill Johni L Benet, and SBTC is a public reply Strangled Bound Tortured Corpsed, but that seems to belong in the Stephen King realm, or from a forthcoming BTK true crime thriller.
     
  9. Becba

    Becba Former Member

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    Maybe the writer wanted to seem like they were from the Strangle Bind Torture Club, taking the idea from BTK which was from Bind Torture Kill.

    Everything else in the note seems to be copy catting.
     
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    txsvicki Active Member

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    I had wondered if someone might be thinking of btk and quickly thought of stun bind torture club since that is what looks to be what happened to Jonbenet.
     
  11. Becba

    Becba Former Member

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    The C is likely for club because the RN used "we" and "men". Not that it was actually more than one person but the writer wanted to portray it that way.
    BTK was a notorious uncaught killer at the time and many had knowledge of his signature.
    She was bound and tortured. S could be strangle or stun. IMO The initials were made up so only the writer knows what was really intended. And since there was no kidnapping or ransome I'd say there was no real Club.
    The initials being so close to what happened to JonBenet is not a coincidence. I think they stand for Strangle Bind Torture Club or Stun Bind Torture Club. The reason it wasn't STBK is because they wanted to allude to a group not a single killer.
     
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    Yes, I see what you mean. Back when I had thought of club, I was thinking the hitting of the head with a club. That's probably a stretch but couldn't help but wonder.
     
  13. UKGuy

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    Yes, more than likely, the RN seems to be a pastiche of crime genres. As if the authors intention was to be deliberately ambiguous to avoid being linked by some prior interest or knowledge.
     
  14. BlueCrab

    BlueCrab New Member

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    We can add S.J.N.I to the group abbreviations that are without a period following the last letter. Websleuther Rupert uncovered this one on the campus at Colorado University, Boulder. S.J.N.I stands for "Students for Justice in Northern Ireland".

    http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/SJNI/

    Moreover, there is what could be an important link between "S.J.N.I" and APAC's "K.J.L.B" (in addition to the missing period following the last letter in each case):

    CURRENT CO-CHAIR TOM SHELLEY OF S.J.N.I WAS ALSO ONE OF THE 29 MEMBERS OF THE "ASIAN PACIFIC AMERICAN COALITION" (APAC) IN 1996. APAC disbanded immediately following the murder of JonBenet. There was a direct connection between the Ramsey family and APAC by way of a family friend who lived at the Stine's house and who was also a member of APAC.

    Tom Shelley has been active in behalf of liberal causes on Colorado University's Boulder campus for many years. Besides being an APAC member in 1996, he is currently active in CU's "Young Democratic Socialists and Liberals Against War".

    For instance, in 2001 Shelley, representing the "Queer Labor Rights Coalition", was a guest speaker at the Boulder Campus Staff Council. Shelley was lobbying to gain domestic partner benefits (insurance, etc.) for students. And in 2003 Tom was on the podium with Boulder mayor Will Toor at a CU anti-war rally.

    Could a missing period help solve the JonBenet Ramsey murder? Maybe.

    BlueCrab
     
  15. Nehemiah

    Nehemiah Active Member

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    Wow, great sleuthing. You just never know...
     
  16. Rupert

    Rupert Former Member

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    Thanks, Nehemiah. Bluecrab is brave.

    Anyone:

    1. Does anyone have a photo of the students in Boulder with the sign "Stop Bombing Third world Countries". I'm sure I saw it somewhere on Jamesons or here. It had the vertical STBC highlighted.

    2. What might "Stop Bombing Third world Countries" have to do with bound up Barbie dolls? I considered like many others "Sweatshop Barbie".
     
  17. cami

    cami Keep your fork......

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    Or maybe it's Saved By The Cross.
     
  18. Nuisanceposter

    Nuisanceposter Remembering Little Miss Christmas

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    I still think the note was written by Patsy and she was covering up for one of the Ramseys, with nothing to do with any club or cult or anything involving some pedophilia circle. If I had to guess what S.B.T.C stood for, I'd guess Saved By The Cross or some other religious reference. She's a religious freak. But I don't think she sees JonBenet's death as a sacrifice...that would imply premeditation, wouldn't it? I don't think JB's death was intentional. Just my opinion.
     
  19. Rupert

    Rupert Former Member

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    How bout this?
    The perp was no dummy. The perp knew how to use periods as separators. As in Nick of Time 1:18, the perp in his own fantasy was trying to force JR to do something. But the perp used JonBenet as a statement and there was to be no hope.

    "follow our instructions to the letter"
    S.B.T.C should be the instructions.
    "We do respect your bussiness (kissiness) but not the country (Little Miss America) that it serves." In otherwords, we know you love your daughter but we have a message and as a symbol she is unfortunately chosen. Barbie doll represents America and she is bound up.

    Country is replaced with child.

    "Stop Bombing Third world Countries" becomes:
    "Stop Bombing Third world Children"

    The perp knew that JR could not stop the bombings. JR could not help but deviate from the instructions to S.B.T.C
    There was no saving JonBenet.

    Somebody into statistics and planning (you stand a 100 percent chance, If... Risk Planning, don't underestimate us). Somebody educated.
     
  20. Becba

    Becba Former Member

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    It is hard for me to believe the name is important because I beleive PR wrote the note. Whatever it stands for was made up.

    I think if a small foreign faction were to manage to get away with murder this easily, they would have popped up again. Yet nobody's ever heard of them.

    If an intruder really did write the note, he did not kidnap her, so why even leave a note?
     
  21. BlueCrab

    BlueCrab New Member

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    Please set aside Patsy's involvement just for the timebeing.

    The missing period and Students for Justice in Northern Ireland (S.J.N.I) and Tom Shelley's possible tie-in to the Ramsey case should be the topic.

    http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/SJNI/

    For instance, could we have some thoughts about those four initials resembling the format (no punctuation mark after the last letter) also used at APAC's website and on the Ramsey ransom note?

    Also, the hand printed S.J.N.I writing sure looks familiar. IMO it should be professionally analyzed and compared to the printing in the ransom note.

    BlueCrab
     

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