Still Missing Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #66

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  1. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    The best thing about it is that PF finally got a taste of his own medicine.

    The jail house snitch used him for what he was worth just as PF used everybody else.

    Imo
     
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  2. Alathea

    Alathea Well-Known Member

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    bbm
    Hilarious!
     
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  3. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the lawyers probably asked Frazee if he wrote the letters and he said, "Huh? Yeah." End of discussion.

    Imo
     
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    SandyQLS Well-Known Member

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    @MyBelle
    Thank you for your intelligent response to my questions. I agree with your addendum information as well and I had noticed those same issues.
     
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    AgeofAquaruis Well-Known Member

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    Or plead the fifth.
    Moo
     
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  6. Alathea

    Alathea Well-Known Member

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    There is a detail that those who don't believe PF wrote the notes might be overlooking - besides the fact he has not challenged it (<-major):

    If PF didn't write them, how would anyone else - in particular some total stranger sitting in jail - know all of the various witnesses, their descriptions and addresses and numbers?

    All of those people had information about PF that was relevant to the trial - info only he, and perhaps SF, would have known. But PF was the one in jail, not SF.
     
  7. Peppermint Patty

    Peppermint Patty Well-Known Member

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    Why didn't the defense want to talk to JB when he called? Could it possibly be that they knew they were authentic and didn't want anything to do with it? I believe they knew and had to distance themselves from them. If they would have seen them, I don't think they can just ignore what they saw legally. By distancing themselves from that evidence and not even entertaining a conversation, they didn't have to turn it over for discovery. Fast forward to Trial, they really were limited on how they could dispute the authenticity.

    For Example: JB calls the defense attorney's office, leaves a message about what he has... Defense attorney's get with PF and ask.. his response was probably, "Yah, So What?!?" (because he's a dumb butt)... resulting in ... No return phone call.

    IMO - this scenario played out exactly as it was supposed to. BTW - PF wouldn't need to call a handwriting expert because he knew he wrote them and so did his defense attorney's. And I believe the prosecution presented it as it needed to be to put into context of him being conscious of his decisions.
     
  8. ajaylee

    ajaylee Well-Known Member

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    We have zero evidence that PF has denied writing the letters.
     
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  9. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 Godspeed, STAY AT HOME. Be connected when isolated

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    My father was a member of the Elks. Which made me Google to see if there was an Elks club in Cripple Creek, (yes, there is) but there is no membership list. I wonder if one of the people on The Hit List was a member of the Elks or something like that?

    Elks.org :: Lodge #316 Facilities
     
  10. riolove77

    riolove77 Verified Attorney

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    I don't know. I think it depends on the verdict. If he gets murder 1 and gets LWOP, they won't gain anything additional from it. But say he gets manslaughter (which I do not believe will happen), which carries a lower term...they could have the option of potentially 12 counts of solicitation to commit murder 1, which can add lots of consecutive time to a lower manslaughter sentence.
     
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  11. sillybilly

    sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    The quote was "elk hunt" which I believe it is a phonetic reference to how he had referred to KK/KL in one of his other profanity laden notes.
     
  12. enelram

    enelram STAY HOME-CONTAIN THE VIRUS

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    PF's atty. knew he wrote them which is why he
    made a 1/2 arse attempt to argue. He knew.
     
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  13. Peppermint Patty

    Peppermint Patty Well-Known Member

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    Agree with all you have said and just wanted to add: If they happen to be part of another potential case, we would not hear anything about them at this trial or anywhere for that matter. .

    I've had the opportunity to sit on 2 jury's and the one that comes to mind that reminds me of what I just stated is the Felony Drug case. Long story short, we found him guilty. Afterward, the prosecuting attorneys and detective on the case wanted to talk with us. Basically, to get our feedback if there was anything we thought they could have done differently or improved. After we gave our feedback,which was mostly positive, they said you all did the right thing. Because, right after he bonded out on this current charge, he was arrested doing the same exact thing in the same exact location not an hour after he was released. That trial was coming up. We had absolutely NO idea of anything other than the trial we were tasked with deciding the outcome.

    It will be interesting to see if there is anything the comes of the other teeth found.
     
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  14. Simply Southern

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    @riolove77

    Happy to see you today!!!!

    Question, Could/would the person that posted bail for the jail house witness be charged ? Someone put up the money for bail, in good faith to solidify the deal.

    If so, what would the charges be?
     
  15. Lhughessk

    Lhughessk Bounty. The quicker picker-upper and hitlist-maker

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    I don’t think one has anything to do with the other. Elk hunting is huge in Colorado. This is hunting season right now. So making a reference to an elk hunt would not grab anyone’s attention. I don’t think PF is smart enough to come up with any kind of phonetic code.
     
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  16. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 Godspeed, STAY AT HOME. Be connected when isolated

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    Yeah remember, they talked about the aluminum trash can of which he put most of the ashes in before they arrived. That aluminum trash can went with him, and they never saw it again. He had first dibs on cleaning out the area and putting it all in an aluminum trash can which would not melt if it was taken from the not yet cool fire. M o o
     
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  17. Peppermint Patty

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    I'm still trying to get caught up, but wanted to touch on the possible future housing for PF.

    Before the letters came out, I was not thinking he would go to a Supermax prison, but now I'm not so sure. These letters are seriously damning and the fact that he has an LE on the list is practically icing on the cake. CO does have a Supermax and I believe that is where El Chapo is spending his last days.
     
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    Elks.org Grand Lodge :: Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks of the USA

    Elks Lodges bring so much more to their communities than just a building, golf course or pool. They are places where neighbors come together, families share meals, and children grow up.

    Elks invest in their communities through programs that help children grow up healthy and drug-free, meet the needs of today’s veterans, and improve the quality of life.


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    Artis Well-Known Member

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    So, if you're on the jury, how are you voting?
     
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  20. makayla

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    Wow, I hadn’t considered that ... very interesting!
     
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