Still Missing Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #66

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  1. Simply Southern

    Simply Southern Well-Known Member

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    Which equates to about 20% of potential income over KBs lifetime.

    KB was young, just starting to pay SS. It takes years to built a decent survivor benefit.


    • A child under age 18 (19 if still in elementary or secondary school) or disabled — 75 percent
    Benefits Planner: Survivors | If You Are The Survivor | Social Security Administration
     


  2. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    For example:
    PF used KK until it suited him.
    Now, KK must be removed.
    MOO.
     
  3. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Pleased you're here.:):)
    Love your posts, as often we need legal info.
    Thank goodness, we have several Attorneys here.
     
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    Aydrianna523 Well-Known Member

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    When I was on a jury (grand jury) the jurors were very conscientious. I'm hopeful!
     
  5. Gigi3

    Gigi3 Well-Known Member

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    I think I’m finally caught up... and just WOW!!!

    This guy is a total dumb***!!! Not surprising btw. However, I was definitely surprised by these letters, and I ABSOLUTELY believe he wrote them.

    Did anyone else think that the codes to be used were what SF was supposed to relay to PF when the jobs were done? That’s what it sounded like to me. MOO
     
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  6. Aydrianna523

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    Interesting. Would kb need to have worked 10 years?
     
  7. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Yes. He knew he was being recorded, and SF relaying those phrases would allow that information to fly under the radar.

    Of course anyone actually listening to those conversations, would be like “what the hell?”

    This guy loves his elk:

    The two young men also testified that they helped #PatrickFrazee dispose of a metal trough that prosecutors say Frazee used to burn #KelseyBerreth's body. Frazee never told them anything other than wood and deer or elk antlers were burned in the fire.
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  8. Gigi3

    Gigi3 Well-Known Member

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    I can tell you that my little sister died tragically last year, and both of her boys are now receiving those benefits monthly. She did not work at her job for 10 yrs. This is just my experience so MOO
     
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  9. Hair of the Dog

    Hair of the Dog Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he was planning ahead just in case? He mentioned to John Doe how much he had enjoyed the planning aspect of his vanishing witnesses scheme and their future together as partners in crime taking the world by storm. He probably acted it all out with his action figures on the floor of his cell with lots of sound effects. MOO
     
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    Artis Well-Known Member

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    And if their client insisted he didn't write those notes, you don't think the defense would have brought that up and filed a motion to demand authentication?

    In addition to soliciting KK and his own eventual murder of Kelsey, PF has now solicited the murders of twelve more people so, even if you were on that jury, he's still going down.
     
  11. Alathea

    Alathea Well-Known Member

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    I believe John Doe is on probation now, and no longer in jail.

    So while he likely reported it to get out of jail (or maybe to avoid doing more time for committing more crimes) he'll possibly turn his life around just to avoid going back in - particularly knowing that now that he might be considered a "snitch."

    Then again, anyone in jail would probably have done the same thing to reduce time or get out, no? That was a long list - not likely there was anywhere enough money for it, and most criminals would know that.
     
  12. Hair of the Dog

    Hair of the Dog Well-Known Member

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    That is terrible, so sorry for your loss. Sending hugs :)
     
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  13. Hair of the Dog

    Hair of the Dog Well-Known Member

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    Right?
    Maybe she was making for the door and that is where he caught up with her and the bat dented the floor board.
    Sick piece of trash.
     
  14. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Yes. It’s my opinion as an attorney.

    Of course that’s their job. But as an attorney I can guarantee you those letters horrified them. They were unexpected, 11th hour and clearly written by PF. Their failure to cross examine slater or object on the record on the various grounds available had authentication been an actual issue, shows the importance of those letters.

    They didn’t attempt at all to prove that the letters weren’t authenticated. The only reason to do that would be if they knew their client write them.
     
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  15. Simply Southern

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    One and half years in a 3 year period.


    But no one needs more than 10 years of work to be eligible for any Social Security benefit. Under a special rule, if you've worked for one and one-half years in the three years just before your death, we can pay benefits to your children and your spouse who is caring for the children.
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  16. Crooked Chicken

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    My hunch is that the variety of teeth found in the franch were DNA tested and found not relevant to this case -- therefore they wouldn't need to mention the findings. There may be a future allegation regarding the teeth, but not related to this case.
     
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  17. GordianKnot

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    BBM:

    To be explicitly clear about this point:

    If PF had done this before, there would have been voluminous evidence of it.

    To suggest that PF is capable of "outwitting" LE is an insult to LEAs everywhere.

    PF couldn't outwit a stuffed armadillo.

    JMO.
     
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  18. Simply Southern

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    So sorry for your loss.

    You are correct.

    SSA .... work one and a half years during a 3 year period.
     
  19. Gigi3

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    Thank you! It was horrible, and I don’t wish it for anyone.

    That was my baby sister, I can NOT imagine the loss of my child or grandchild. I feel so sorry for the Berreths, their pain must be monumental! PF has to be found guilty of this horrific crime. It won’t take away the pain, but it will put away this monster!
     
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  20. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    In in the presence of the jury their job was to cross examine that investigator to show he was not a handwriting analysis expert and to try to cast doubt as to the authorship of those letters.

    ....Unless they knew that to do so would be futile because the next thing would be rebuttal witnesses showing:

    1. A comparison to documents known to be in PF’s writing.
    2. An expert handwriting analyst.
    3. Evidence showing the receipt on which a letter was written was PF’s.

    They didn’t go there because they knew it would dig the hole deeper.

    So to review:

    Claims that there was likely no evidence KK wasn’t or couldn’t have been in town when the murder happened? WRONG

    Claims that there wasn’t blood all over the condo indicating a crime scene? WRONG

    Claims that the blood found all over the condo wasn’t proved to be Kelsey’s? WRONG.

    Claims that there was no evidence that what was found in burn pile was a human tooth, let alone likely Kelsey’s? WRONG.

    Claims that it is not credible that letters purported to be written by PF, in which he is inexplicably trying to get all the key witnesses against him to be killed, were actually were written by the defendant? WRONG. (Also interesting that the back up to that claim is “Well he doesn’t admit to killing her!” Lol)

    I’m sure others could remind me of all the other claims made in this case that have turned out to be...wrong.

    The death throws of a dead defense.
     
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