Still Missing Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #66

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  1. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    I would pre-order a copy on Amazon right this minute!
    You know how you eat something that tastes awful
    so you spit it out as fast as you can and hope to
    never see that nasty food again?

    I think the defense wanted to spit that evidence out
    really fast and never hear it mentioned again.

    I bet they don't even mention it in Closing "Arguments/Acquiescence"!
     
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  2. Irmese

    Irmese Well-Known Member

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    Lol! Have you ever ordered something at a restaurant and hated it and then told everyone at your table to taste it and see if it's as bad as you think? Maybe the defense will say, "This is so bad, we will repeat it. Do you hate it, too?"
     
  3. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Loud and clear!
     
  4. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    I'm so impressed that Sam stayed in a hotel all week and did the videos after being in court all day. He certainly did himself proud with 1000+ viewers sticking around for several hours straight each night.

    I didn't look to see which network KOAA is part of but I would think, with the world watching this case, they could have easily made their money back in clicks.

    Maybe they've learned something. Sam may be moving on to bigger things!
     
  5. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    How funny! I was just typing my thoughts along those same lines!
    Great minds...
     
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  6. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    Yeah, KB slinging her blood every which way before running would be hard to sell.
     
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  7. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    I'm still tapping my fingers waiting for the first hurrah.
     
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  8. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    It’s no coincidence that all three attorneys posting here are in consensus.
     
  9. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    Witness... Testimony... Evidence.
    I'm taking Sam Kraemer and all those reporters' word that they saw evidence presented by a witness under oath testifying that Patrick wrote those Paper Towel Tales and gave them to him.

    The defense made no argument that this evidence was false though they had time and opportunity.
    No talk of handwriting analysis. No talk of missing fingerprints. No nothing.

    We can keep throwing all this stuff into the air and make a word salad but we still say the same thing. Over and over and over.
     
  10. kkdj

    kkdj Well-Known Member

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    Some of his wording was little confusing but I ended up thinking PF wanted all the witnesses killed and not to be discovered, not even one of them, until after the 22nd. Not kidnapped and released. He didn't want them to ever be able to tell anything. Plus, he wasn't negotiating with a regular burglar. He was negotiationg with a gang affiliation type. jmo
     
  11. Oregon

    Oregon Well-Known Member

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    KK left early, I believe the fire burned all night. Frazee had hours to decide to burn/not to burn. He might have been watching Forensic Files to pass the time.
     
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    Warwick7 Well-Known Member

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    BAM!!!!!
     
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  13. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Smart thought! Why didn’t they?
     
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  14. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Me too. I expected more. It speaks to the strength of the state’s case. It’s that simple.
     
  15. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Like if it’s hung.
     
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  16. zea mays

    zea mays Well-Known Member

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    Yes! 'How, exactly, did your bail come about?"

    Bravo/a!

    I think that this is a concept that many are missing in regards to appeals. People don't just get to appeal because they don't like the outcome of the trial. They have to object to something on the record, be denied on the record, AND then in the appeal trial the new judge has to determine that if the outcome of that objection were different the trial would have gone a different way. That's no small feat. If the defense misses an objection - they can't just catch that later and say "well, we wish we would've objected there so now fix that on appeal".

    So, anything the defense isn't objecting to ON THE RECORD (ya know, like the authenticity of the letters, for example) is OFF THE TABLE for an appeal. They're not just biding their time for an appeal.

    MOO & IANAL, but this is my understanding and I'm sure one of our attorneys will correct me if I'm wrong.


    Why do you put expert in quotes here? No one is purporting him to be a handwriting expert nor does he need to be.
     
  17. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Oh yeah, make no mistake, he wanted those people dead.

    At points he merely alluded to murder, or suggested kidnapping. That was probably an effort to refrain from using the word “murder,” in case those notes were discovered.
     
  18. sillybilly

    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    This thread is closed for the night and a new thread has been started.

    Check back tomorrow. The new thread, Thread #67 will be open for discussion. Just use the Report feature to ask Mods/Admins to open it up.
     
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