Still Missing Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - *Arrest* #66

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  1. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Great, so possibly these Jurors will put the fear into others, and we get 12 Guilty votes.
     


  2. Cherokee

    Cherokee Well-Known Member

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    Snipped by me ...

    I had the same thought. And which way did she crawl? Towards the front door to get away? No, in the opposite direction towards where her baby was in the next room.
     
  3. SandyQLS

    SandyQLS may your life be filled with acorns

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    @MyBelle

    Frazee trial: Letters say Frazee asked inmate to kill witnesses

    "...In letter 9, Frazee allegedly claimed that the DA’s Office was working with Kenney to give her quotes to say so her testimony matched the circumstantial evidence in the case...."

    I'm old so maybe I am hearing impaired, but that sounds like a claim that would be made during a trial, not way back Sept-Oct 2019. How would PF have developed this opinion before the trial to relay it to Bentley? Didn't Bentley admit to watching a TV show about the the case and/or googling about it? What about Bentley's pending testimony in Weld County re: another solicitation, that was brought up during cross and other issues brought up during cross? Did you find him credible?

    JMO Bentley was not credible, not at all. I do not think his testimony reflected well on the Prosecution, they should have skipped him, and they certainly should not have rested with him. His testimony all sounds like the sort of nonsense drug addicts come up with when they are high. All JMO
     
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    Irmese Well-Known Member

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    I bet his sister would.
     
  5. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    Stephanie (Butzer) Rose on Twitter
    Started today by hitting my funny bone so hard I fainted in my hotel room. Ended today doing last edits on a story involving a former inmate's testimony that accused murderer #PatrickFrazee wanted to kill several witnesses connected to the case. What a strange, unexpected day.
    5:15 PM - 15 Nov 2019
     
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    Medstudies Well-Known Member

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    The letters were written before the trial.
     
  7. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    Forgive me for beating a dead horse on the stupidity issue but
    Frazee knew Bentley a total of 17 days
    and trusted him enough to write 17 hit recruitment notes to him?

    When will we stop being asked to suspend belief in Patrick's ignorance?! I'm dizzy from it.
     
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  8. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    The State has the notes. Slater read them in court. Doesn't matter IF he is a drug addict - he didn't write them, PF did. MOO
     
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  9. yawningreyhound

    yawningreyhound Well-Known Member

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    No doubt, but how would it be proven?
     
  10. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    If it was just the testimony, you’d have a point. But these were PF’s own words, in PF’s own handwriting. They even sound exactly like him.

    As for his theory that KK was being coached, I’d be surprised if PF didn’t start floating that on day one. It’s a super common strategy, and his only real argument.

    She knows these things because they told her.

    Obviously it’s absurd, as she was the one who led them to the evidence they missed in that house, the barn at Nash, and the fire pit.

    She fed them, and there is overwhelming proof of that. It’s probably the weakest argument I’ve ever heard, as everything refutes it.
     
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  11. yawningreyhound

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    If I shake my head any more over this trial, I'm gonna get shaken adult syndrome
     
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    <odsnipped>

    After the letters came out I got a terrible headache. I decided to shut my phone off and cried myself to sleep.

    I cried for Kelsey and what she went thru before she died. I cried for the baby too. I hurt all over ( just like so many of you).

    I just put out a long post and it was from the deepest parts of my heart. And it was deleated.

    So for those who believe in lack of fingerprints on the napkins and getting statement analysis for these letters. I need to not follow these thoughts. <modsnipped>
     
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  13. Seattle1

    Seattle1 #LiveLikeLizzy

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    OK, I had to google this and apparently it's true -- hitting your funny bone hard can make you faint (stimulates the vagus nerve).

    And yes -- this has been one strange day!! :)
     
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  14. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    Do I misunderstand?

    Are you saying every time someone writes on paper they leave fingerprints?

    Do you think this would also hold true on napkins and paper towels?

    You might want to research this further.
     
  15. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    Why wouldn't these notes have been written back in October?
    The defense had Discovery evidence by then, and they would know what much of KK's testimony was going to be. So PF could have easily written these notes at the same time the witness said he did.

    Some of the names that were written in the notes had NOT been previously identified in any news reports. So these notes have to be genuine.

    Brace yourselves for the upcoming Guilty Verdict.
     
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    Isn't "lst degree" pre-meditated murder? The three solicitations seem pre-meditated to me. The first person convos seem to indicate pre-meditation. I believe I read in the Arias case that premeditation can be from 5 seconds to infinity or something like that. I think May proved PF planned this. Am I missing something?
     
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    Bentley named people on the hit list who were never mentioned on the news previously along with descriptions of where they live and appearance.
    and ..the defense did not argue.....at all.
     
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  18. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain’t the Ones Beneath the Bed

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    Nope. They just tried to discredit him, and didn’t argue the notes were genuine.

    I think there’s a reason for that:

    PF told them.
     
  19. Madeleine74

    Madeleine74 Of course it's my opinion, who else's would it be?

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    I'm tickled that PF is so dumb that he shot himself in the foot (so to speak) trying to cover up his evil deeds. He left so much evidence and basically left a trail of evidence leading right to himself with a big red arrow on it. The 17 notes he wrote to the prison pal trying to setup hits on witnesses is EPIC!

    He's going down and he's going down hard. For life!
     
  20. PommyMommy

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    NOV 15, 2019
    Kelsey Berreth murder case: Jailhouse witness says Patrick Frazee asked him to kill key witness – Canon City Daily Record
    [...]

    The surprise witness, Jacob Bentley, said that he was housed next to Frazee until October of this year and the two started talking.

    Bentley said he told Frazee he was part of a prison gang and that Frazee offered to help bail him out of jail if he arranged the killings of Kenney and other witnesses in the case. Bentley testified that Frazee also asked him to kill the lead Colorado Bureau of Investigation agent on the case, relatives of Kenney, Frazee’s friend who testified in court, and others.

    [...]

    “I will remain silent,” Frazee said, the most he has spoken to the court throughout the three-week trial.

    [...]

    The CBI agent, Gregg Slater, testified that Bentley provided investigators more than a dozen handwritten notes provided that appeared to be in Frazee’s handwriting. The notes, some written on paper towels, described how to find Kenney and others in the case and instructed Bentley to destroy the notes afterward. Prosecutors displayed the notes to the court, and Slater said that multiple people named in the notes had not previously been named by news reports.

    [...]

    Bentley testified that he was not promised anything by prosecutors in exchange for his testimony. told the court that Bentley had asked that his pending cases from multiple counties be resolved in one county.”]

    [...]

    Before Bentley took the stand, prosecutors called a bloodstain expert who explained that the blood spots found in the Berreth’s condo were consistent with Kenney’s account.

    [...]

    Kenney’s description of the blood patterns she found are consistent with a high-impact attack with an object, which would spread a large quantity of small blood spots across the condo, Priest said. When Fourth Judicial District Attorney Dan May asked if the stains were consistent with an attack with a bat, Priest said, “Oh, absolutely.”

    “The fact that there are small bloodstains supports my opinion that we have a forceful incident, not a passive one,” Priest said.

    [...]

    Holding a sample of the floor from Berreth’s condo, Priest also described two indentations on the wood plank, though he couldn’t tell exactly what hit it.

    “So something substantially heavy and substantially hard had an impact on this area and certainly a baseball bat is consistent with that,” he said.

    [...]
     
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