Knowing all you know today about this case who do you think really killed JonBenet?

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Who do you believe killed JonBenet?

  1. Patsy

    168 vote(s)
    25.0%
  2. John

    44 vote(s)
    6.6%
  3. Burke

    107 vote(s)
    15.9%
  4. an unknown intruder

    86 vote(s)
    12.8%
  5. BR (head bash), then JR

    4 vote(s)
    0.6%
  6. BR (head bash); then JR & PR (strangled/coverup)

    113 vote(s)
    16.8%
  7. Knowing all I know, still on the fence.

    55 vote(s)
    8.2%
  8. John, with an 'inside' accomplice

    11 vote(s)
    1.6%
  9. I think John and Patsy caught him and he made her cover up

    17 vote(s)
    2.5%
  10. I still have no idea

    57 vote(s)
    8.5%
  11. patsy and john helped cover it up

    9 vote(s)
    1.3%
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  1. LinasK

    LinasK Verified insider- Mark Dribin case

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    You forgot Susan Smith and Andrea Yates.
     
  2. LinasK

    LinasK Verified insider- Mark Dribin case

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    I agree- the garroting IMO was John's sex abuse game with JB gone awry, then when they realized she was dying, one of them finished her off with a head bash.:moo:
     
  3. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    Not on purpose, I assure you! :seeya:
     
  4. SapphireSteel

    SapphireSteel New Member

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    Under the laws of KISS, that's exactly what happened.

    :sick:
     
  5. Nom de plume

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    I just have to throw this into the mix, and now seems like a perfect time. :wink:

    The Michael Simpson case, with re to t-DNA is totally irrelevant to this case. The rock had not just been at a party with dozens of people. It hadn't been served food and drink that who knows how many people had come into contact with. The rock's coat hadn't been (just guessing) thrown on a bed with several dozen others. The rock's parents hadn't shaken hands with many people either. The rock's panties weren't manufactured in a factory. The rock's fingernails weren't clipped at autopsy with dirty clippers, and all nails with the same one. Need I continue?
     
  6. redheadedgal

    redheadedgal Well-Known Member

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    interesting how other cases are mentioned (elizabeth smart, polly klaas, jessica lunsford, tommy lee sells, beth holloway, jacqueline dowaliby, and now, michael simpson) despite an insistence, when madeleine mccann's case was brought up earlier, that

     
  7. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    :floorlaugh: LOL...
     
  8. CanManEh

    CanManEh New Member

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    Hello...
     
  9. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    Hi there:)
     
  10. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    Just another opinion.. There is no rule when it comes to murdering crazy people. Their minds are not like ours, In the frame of the unknown perp, since the police did not protect the scene and search the house correctly so much was lost that we have no idea what we would know about the perp if this case was handled differently from the beginning..
    KISS when applied here, says it was an outside unknown perp. Not the family with no history of abuse, or even the suggestion of impropriety towards their children.
     
  11. Mollyandme

    Mollyandme Well-Known Member

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    Scarlettscarpetta, you know I love to read your posts and respect your opinions as I have already told you, but after reading through everything I have to disagree.

    KISS when applied here, IMO says it was a family member. The statistics are clear that most victims of child sexual abuse are abused by a family member. Families can fly for years under the radar of child protective services, etc, so there is no way to state there is no history of abuse or impropriety towards the children. Obviously Jon Benet had a history of being sexual abused digitally and her parents are the ones who had the most access to her on a regular basis. How do we also explain away the fibers of Patsy's sweater? and the ransom note, which I believe was written by Patsy.
     
  12. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    I disagree. KISS dictates that statistically when a child is murdered. Murdered and found in the house? wow. Now the odds skyrocket The perp lives in the house or is extremely close to the family.
    Added to that fact, the doors were all locked and zero evidence of a break-in.....coming in through a window.., proven to be impossible, add to that all the LIES and conflicting stories told by the family.... It becomes blatantly clear. A RDI.
     
  13. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    Keeping it simple also means going with the most likely scenario.. That is not that her father or mother garroted her. That is just that one barbaric move that takes this out of the normal bashing and molesting horror that some kids do in fact have to suffer through..
    That changes the ball game. Someone that could do that to their child, I believe would have a history of some kind of torture abuse and sadistic behavior. That is not the case here.

    These were good parents who loved their kids. If this had just been a beating and molestation, I could see the scenarios and may even be able to sit on the fence. That garroting changes the game.
     
  14. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    Normal bashing and molesting ? Ya lost me.

    When you factor in Pastys quest to always present as picture perfect, her narcissistic mind wouldn't allow her to admit to harming her daughter at all, not even accidentally. It also wouldn't allow her husband or her son to be at fault. Her family was perfect. Her death had to be over the top and not the fault of any family member.

    Who had access and molested her previously?


    If there is any game changer in this case, it's the "ransom" note. That too points directly at Patsy, not only in linguistic style, but handwriting and content consisting of deflecting blame away from the family.
     
  15. Venom

    Venom Well-Known Member

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    No one knows the R's personally on here. At least I think not :dunno:
    IMO there is no way to know their full histories, including how they were as children themselves, and what goes on in their heads. There's just no way to know someone fully, much less someone you've (not a personal "you" directed at anyone) never met.
    :moo:
     
  16. Mollyandme

    Mollyandme Well-Known Member

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    there are plenty of cases where parents have barbarically killed their children. how do we know it's not the case that there is no history of torture abuse and sadistic behavior. i believe repeated episodes of sexual abuse is sadistic behavior. again, not every incident of abuse gets reported, believe me i used to work in the field. if theres no report made by a concerned neighbor, doctor, teacher, etc how can anyone do anything about it? just because there's no previous reports of abuse/neglect on the ramseys doesn't mean it didn't happen.
     
  17. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    It's so true that no one knows what goes on behind closed doors!
     
  18. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    Maybe normal is not the correct word, But often molesters in the family do not kill. They keep their victims quiet and assault them for years. Even when there is a murder it is usually the result of beating or hiding them. They would not leave them in the house..

    Many kids are molested by people they know but do not live with.
     
  19. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    There are no cases where a child garroted their child. It takes something extra.. To watch the breath go out of your child while they stare at your face.. That is something over and above a beating that goes wrong.

    There is nothing in any of JOHN or PATSY history that shows this kind of behavior. If there was we would know it.
     
  20. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    No but we have good histories, We have evidence that shows that this was not in their realm of possibilities.

    If there was something horrible in their past, we would know it. I am pretty sure.
     
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